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Did the final Outlaw test of the day and hit my estimate : Derrick took a video of this run as well :

** Score on the right is legal score with more power; seems like it may be tapped out now... but will try a little more later. ** This is what we dropped in for testing; basically battery limited now.

Tweaked it a little more -- this is going to be it without getting a "real" power setup in here. Seeing ~11.1v at the amp terminals so not going to get more juice as it sits. May drop in some more batteries and bigger amps some time this week to see where the SA-18 tops out

Thanks -- not sure if you saw it but we did 7.3k on an SA-15 in 2011 for 153.7 dB score ----- I'll be tweaking this one a bit as I feel like the SA-18 isn't maxed out on stroke yet so should be able to gain some more.

Did some SPL testing in the Jeep with the 18" version of the "Magic Box" this morning -- it is slightly less efficient than the 15" version but still does well. I am pleased with the results -- will continue to push for more score as time permits :

Yes the D4 are similar ; I am checking to see what we have on file for them

As far as I am aware any units already sold will be built as expected.

Winner was selected ! See the video for details on the drawing =)

We did the drawing; I will post the video up to announce the winner once it is done uploading to YouTube.

We are sold out right now; but we will be making another run. I am reducing the sleeve functionality a bit going forward since 95% of what we built were "stock" -- so newer motors will simply be made with stock gaps and won't require sleeves.

They are a very flat and neutral set -- they do not have any artificial "sizzle" to them nor do they exaggerate anything. So it really comes down to your taste in sound.

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----------- NEW PLATFORM PRODUCTS : MODEL -- RE-CONE Price -- FRAME Price X-10 -- $130.00 -- $50.00 X-12 -- $135.00 -- $60.00 X-15 -- $140.00 -- $80.00 X-18 -- $155.00 -- $50.00 * 18" Use the Standard 6-Spoke Frame w/ a 257mm Spider Adapter; the $50 frame price includes this adapter * D2 and D4 Coils Available (CCAW Round Wire) * Add $10.00 for Z v.4 Stiffness Spider * NS v.3 Spider Pack -- NOT AVAILABLE * Add $20.00 for NS v.3 coil option (D1 or D2) ** SPL Cone/Surround Option = $0.00 Extra (must specify) -- Available all sizes 10/12/15/18 ** SPL Spider Option = $20.00 Extra for 3-layer // $10.00 for each additional layer *** Currently SPL Spiders are only sold on 12s, 15s, and 18s -- the spider OD will be reduced to the next smaller size (12s get 8 3/8", 15s get 9.25", and 18s get 9.25") Z v.4 10 -- $150.00 -- $50.00 Z v.4 12 -- $155.00 -- $60.00 Z v.4 15 -- $160.00 -- $80.00 Z v.4 18 -- $175.00 -- $50.00 * 18" Use the Standard 6-Spoke Frame w/ a 257mm Spider Adapter; the $50 frame price includes this adapter * D1 and D2 Coils Available * Softer X Spider Available - NO EXTRA CHARGE * Add $10.00 for NS v.3 Stiffness Spider * Add $20.00 for NS v.2 Coil (v.3 does NOT work) ** SPL Cone/Surround Option = $0.00 Extra (must specify) -- Available all sizes 10/12/15/18 ** SPL Spider Option = $20.00 Extra for 3-layer // $10.00 for each additional layer *** Currently SPL Spiders are only sold on 12s, 15s, and 18s -- the spider OD will be reduced to the next smaller size (12s get 8 3/8", 15s get 9.25", and 18s get 9.25") STOCK CONFIGURATION NS v.3 10 -- $165.00 -- $50.00 NS v.3 12 -- $170.00 -- $60.00 NS v.3 15 -- $175.00 -- $80.00 NS v.3 18 -- $190.00 -- $50.00 * 18" Use the Standard 6-Spoke Frame w/ a 257mm Spider Adapter; the $50 frame price includes this adapter * D1 or D2 Coils Available * Softer X or Z v.4 spiders available -- NO EXTRA CHARGE ** SPL Cone/Surround Option = $0.00 Extra (must specify) -- Available all sizes 10/12/15/18 ** SPL Spider Option = $20.00 Extra for 3-layer // $10.00 for each additional layer *** Currently SPL Spiders are only sold on 12s, 15s, and 18s -- the spider OD will be reduced to the next smaller size (12s get 8 3/8", 15s get 9.25", and 18s get 9.25") * -- Both the X and Z v.4 kits / Frames can be retrofit into the NS v.1, NS v.2, and Z v.3 motors; these motors cannot handle the FULL capacity of the new soft parts so a hard bottom is possible. ** -- The Z v.2 motor bolt pattern is compatible with the new platforms as well but you must be aware of hard bottom possibility at 41mm one-way.

To order a drop-in re-cone assembly e-mail [email protected] -- do not e-mail my "sundownz" address if you need a quick response.To reduce back-and-forth e-mails ALWAYS include the following : 1) What you are ordering -- Model, Coil Configuration, Etc. 2) If you already have a basket or not; please check below for any special notes. 3) If you need ANY custom options please specify up front. 4) !!! YOUR ADDRESS AND NAME !!! 5) A picture of what you have goes a long way to be SURE we are talking about the same thing. 6) When you send payment include ALL details of your drop-in on the notes(model, size, coil configuration, options, etc) (Revised 9-23-14) : IT WILL TAKE, ON AVERAGE, 1-2 weeks for a built item like a drop-in to be completed. It may take longer depending on how busy our build department is and/or if all of the parts are currently in stock -- please keep this in mind. Updates will NOT be sent along the way -- an update will occur when the product is shipped. You can e-mail us to check on the status; [email protected]; an exact completion time is not available but we can confirm if it is done, in process, or is in the shipping area. These are fully BUILT real "drop-in" assemblies -- you shim them out, glue them in, and attach a dust cap so there is a bit of a lead time. We do not ship out a box of loose parts! Thanks for your patience . ---------- Update (8-26-14) : There are a few guy out there that can build our drop-ins (OEM style or customized) as they are authorized to buy our parts if you are in a hurry and our lead time is too long -- you must order through them and do all contact / follow-up with them. Doing business with any of the following builders is completely separate from doing business direct with us and their pricing may vary from ours; but I can say we have done business with all of these guys for many years now and we are comfortable with their work. They all have good feedback on the forums as well : David Moore ("TeamPSI" on CACO) -- Mississippi -- <Info @ FixMySpeaker.com> Corey Dean ("SPLaudio" on Forums) -- New York -- <splaudio78 @ hotmail.com> David Leib ("FLAstrongman" on CACO) -- Florida -- <flastrongman @ gmail.com> ---------- EDIT 8/30/11 : WE CANNOT WARRANTY DIY RE-CONE ASSEMBLY ISSUES. Read and understand this -- if you are not 110% sure about re-coning the driver ask us or send it in. We can ONLY stand behind labor that we perform. Manufacturing defects in the kit itself are of course our responsibility but installation is 100% the customer responsibility. This includes ticking, broken parts, etc. EDIT 10/14/13 : MAKE SURE to check your re-cone BEFORE installing it for complete accuracy. This includes using a DMM to make sure you received the correct voice coil configuration. As this is a DIY process everyone performing a drop-in should have access to a multi-meter. 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White paper trimmed / stacked to spec works perfectly for shimming -- use enough where it is snug but not so tight you can barely get the coil in the gap. For glue we suggest Loc-Tite 5-minute epoxy with mixing tubes to glue the spider to the frame (MAKE SURE to sand it first) and we suggest Amazing Goop or E6000 for the surround and dust cap (sand frame for surround and rough up the glue surface of the dust cap with sand paper as well). These can be purchased from Lowes or Home Depot very commonly and some Wal-Mart and Craft Stores. We can sell CA glue by request but it typically is not very cost effective for the end user. Most kits DO NOT include the solder tabs that attach to the terminals; these should be RE-USED. Simply cut off any heat-shrink (if present) and de-solder the old lead wire from the tab. Make sure the terminal post is still tight; and then re-solder the new lead to the tab. If you require new tabs you will need to order a complete terminal to get them. ---------- The frame price comes with gasket and terminals -- but if you need any plastic spacers those are extra and you must request them. ---------- MODEL -- RE-CONE Price -- FRAME Price E8 v.1 and v.2 Kits are DISCONTINUED (9-23-14) E8 v.3 / v.4 -- $30.00 -- (Frame Not Available) * D2 / D4 Available * Specify v.3 or v.4 E-10 v.1 or v.2 -- $35 -- $10 E-12 v.1 or v.2 -- $35 -- $10 E-15 v.1 or v.2 -- $45 -- $10 * D2 / D4 Available * Specify v.1 or v.2 !!!FOR SA-8 KITS SEE THIS THREAD TO DETERMINE WHAT MODEL YOU HAVE. WE MUST HAVE THIS INFO TO MAKE THE CORRECT KIT!!! 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SD-2 10 -- $35.00 -- $15.00 SD-2 12 -- $35.00 -- $18.00 * D2 / D4 available SA-10 -- $40.00 -- $15.00 SA-12 -- $40.00 -- $18.00 SA-15 -- $50.00 -- $21.00 SA-18 -- $75.00 -- $40.00 * SA-10/12/15 add $20.00 for SPL Coils (D1,D2,D4) -- they are 8-layer flat aluminum * D2 / D4 available in stock copper NSv1 12 -- $100.00 -- $25.00 NSv1 15 -- $110.00 -- $30.00 NSv1 18 -- $120.00 -- $40.00 * 3 Layer Spider Pack Stock * Add $10.00 for double leads * Z v.3/X Spider Available No Extra Charge (Black Pack) * Z v.4 Spider Pack Add $10 (Yellow Pack) for 15s and 18s only * NS v.3 Spider Pack Add $20 (Red Pack) for 15s and 18s only * D1 / D2 Available NSv2 12 -- $130.00 -- $25.00 NSv2 15 -- $140.00 -- $30.00 NSv2 18 -- $150.00 -- $40.00 * 3 Layer Spider Pack Stock * Add $10.00 for double leads * Z v.3/X Spider Available No Extra Charge (Black Pack) * Z v.4 Spider Pack Add $10 (Yellow Pack) for 15s and 18s only * NS v.3 Spider Pack Add $20 (Red Pack) for 15s and 18s only * D1 / D2 Available Zv2 12 -- $100.00 -- $25.00 Zv2 15 -- $110.00 -- $30.00 Zv2 18 -- $120.00 -- $40.00 * Copper or Aluminum Coils Available * Z v.3 Spider Pack Now Standard (5/1/12) * MUST USE Z v.3 SPACER * Z v.4 Spider Pack Add $10 (Yellow Pack) for 15s and 18s only * NS v.3 Spider Pack Add $20 (Red Pack) for 15s and 18s only * D1 / D2 Available Z v.3 10" -- $115.00 -- $20.00 Z v.3 12" -- $115.00 -- $25.00 Z v.3 15" -- $125.00 -- $30.00 Z v.3 18" -- $135.00 -- $40.00 * D1 / D2 Available * Add $10 for Z v.4 Spider Pack (15s and 18s Only) * NS v.3 Spider Pack Add $20 (Red Pack) for 15s and 18s only * The 10/12 models use a different coil than the 15/18 models !!!! IMPORTANT NOTE : YOU MUST USE OUR NEWEST 12-spoke 15" FRAMES TO USE THE Z v.3, v.4, X OR NS v.3 SPIDER PACKS !!!! They are 8 3/8" spiders and require a modified top landing. The other spiders for 10/12 and the 18 are compatible with any 12-spoke / 6-spoke that I am aware of. Also -- the NS cone will NOT be offered on ANY drivers with a v.3 style spider pack in 15s or 18s. The v.3 spiders (Z v.3 and NS v.3) can exceed the mechanical limits of the NS style cones in these sizes.

The H2 has an oddball coil -- we could take a look if you sent a motor in here, though.

We were out of town all weekend for NOPI but I will be doing the drawing today for the winner of the stereo package =)

Indeed -- the SAE-50.4 crossovers are fairly limited. Our prior SAX-50.4 many years ago had incredibly flexibility; therefore, cost more and sold poorly so we reduced this functionality greatly. The SAE-50.4 functionality is designed for a few situations : 1) HPF all around for all mids or coaxials 2) HPF on two channels for passive 2-way setup midrange+tweeter setup // LPF on two channels for active dedicated midbass 3) HPF on two channels for passive 2-way setup or coaxials // LPF on two channels bridged for sub-woofer But it is not designed for a fully active scenario. ---------- http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_13514_Clarion-MCD360.html This Clarion unit would be suitable and is priced well. ---------- Alternatively you could go with a passive solution at 2,500 Hz.

The cut-out is identical to the Z v.4 -- just a bit deeper. The other info will be coming soon on the next update to the site.

An X-10 will have a HUGE increase in output.

The big advantage to the SA-8 v.2 over most 8s that came before, and many of it's peers, is in fact the massive mechanical clearances. There is a full 40mm one-way before hard bottom (well more than the motor can practically drive the cone to). The suspension is also loaded with extra clearance -- mechanical damage is quite difficult to achieve. Thermally they are very competitive but it is a 2" coil compared to the 2.5" on the Ampere driver.

You should use about 0.75 cubes each tuned to 35 Hz

We've shipped out all known pre-orders; I'd need to know who you bought it from to have the staff check any further.

Nobody claimed it's some crazy revolutionary technology -- it's a simple revamp to support our dealer market which very rarely has any 16v battery system customers. So no need to "poo-poo" on the thread to up your post count, IMO. It's also not as if DD invented amplifiers that don't support 16v battery systems =P

To the top! This is the last week to donate as part of the raffle.

I hope to see some customer feedback rolling in soon... sales have been strong -- the first run of 3000s is almost sold out already with a much stronger than anticipated demand on those especially; therefore, I expect them to sell out well before we get more in stock.