Shaolin_Danger Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Florida law banning loud car music ruled unconstitutional Click Here for Link to article Updated: Thursday, 12 May 2011, 5:23 AM EDT Published : Thursday, 12 May 2011, 5:19 AM EDT LAKELAND, Fla. (AP) - A state law making it illegal to blast loud music or other audio from a car stereo system has been declared unconstitutional. A three-judge panel of the 2nd District Court of Appeal in Lakeland ruled Wednesday in a pair of Pinellas County cases. Both motorists were cited for playing their car radios too loudly. The judges found the law is an unconstitutional suppression of free speech because it arbitrarily exempts vehicles used for business or political purposes. They also ruled a provision making it illegal for sound to be "plainly audible" from 25 feet or more away from a vehicle was unconstitutionally vague. The panel, though, agreed to certify the vagueness issue to the Florida Supreme Court for further review as a question of great public importance. This is how it all started: St. Petersburg corporate lawyer Richard Catalano By Frank Cerabino Palm Beach Post Staff Writer Posted: 11:12 p.m. Thursday, May 12, 2011 The Florida law that gives police officers the authority to issue traffic tickets to motorists for playing their music too loud was dealt a severe blow this week. It all started four years ago with a Bronx-born lawyer. Corporate lawyer Richard T. Catalano, 50, was driving his Infiniti sedan through St. Petersburg on his way to work. His windows were rolled up, he said, and he was listening to a song from Justin Timberlake. "Yes, Justin Timberlake," he recalled Thursday. "I like Frank Sinatra, Pink Floyd, Motley Crue. But it just so happened on that morning that I was listening to Justin Timberlake. It's something that haunts me." When Catalano got pulled over, the officer told him he was getting a ticket for playing his car's stereo loud enough to be "plainly audible" from 25 feet away. "I said, 'You gotta be kidding. That's a ridiculous law.' " Officer reveals the truth So Catalano tried to fight the ticket in traffic court. He lost. "After I did, a police officer came up to me and told me he was glad that I lost. He said, 'We use that statute all the time to pull people over and search for drugs.' ' The state defines its "plainly audible" standard this way: "The officer need not determine the particular words or phrases being produced or the name of any song or artist producing the sound. The detection of a rhythmic bass reverberating type sound is sufficient to constitute a plainly audible sound." And that just made Catalano angry, concluding that the law was just a pretense for getting around probable-cause requirements for legal search and seizures. "It's like, pull over the black guy and check him out for drugs," Catalano said. "There's right and wrong, and this is just wrong." So he appealed the ticket, challenging it as unconstitutional. And this week, a three-judge panel at the 2nd District Court of Appeal in Lakeland agreed. The judges determined that the state law was unconstitutional because it was not "content-neutral." Ruse to let cops pick on folks The noise law forbids some vehicle stereo sounds while making no restriction on music or any other sounds coming from vehicles if they're for commercial or political purposes. So if an ice cream truck plays Pop Goes the Weasel at a volume that can be heard blocks away, that's not a violation because it has a commercial purpose. Or if a political candidate or activist blasts the theme song from Rocky as he bellows on a bullhorn from the back of a flatbed truck, that can't be a noise violation because it's noise for political purposes. But if a police officer detects a bass beat from a teenager's car at a distance of four or five body lengths away, that's an occasion for a traffic stop and citation. Judge Anthony Black, writing for the appeals court, used this example: "In other words, an individual using a vehicle for business purposes could, for example, listen to political talk radio at a volume clearly audible from a quarter mile; however, an individual sitting in a personal vehicle that is parked next to the business vehicle is subject to a citation if the individual is listening to music or religious programming that is clearly audible at 25 feet." The court ruling pointed out that the 2007 noise law doesn't treat all noise equally, and is therefore unconstitutional by considering the content of the noise as the determinant of whether or not it's permissible. The ruling comes after a doomed attempt in the just-completed session of the state legislature to increase fines in this law, and after the city of Sarasota briefly adopted an ordinance that impounded vehicles on the first infraction. The issue may still take another turn if this week's appeals court ruling is taken up by the state's Supreme Court. But for now, Catalano feels vindicated. "I told the cop who pulled me over, 'You got the wrong guy, my friend. I'm a boy from The Bronx.' " oh shit i love it! don't forget to email the guy and thank him [email protected] 2002 Nissan Maxima Build Log (Click Here) Youtube Channel (Click Here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwright27 Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 You're late. 2006 F-150 4 DC XL M2 18's Walled Daily Driver XS Power 4 DC 3.5kw Team DC Team S.P.L. Lot of Audio Technix and 1/0 DC Audio Dealer American Bass Dealer XS Power Dealer Audio Technix Dealer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winn Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Wait so did it pass or not? You know how you avoid that? Man the fuck up and bang her best friend sister mom cousin worst enemy and never look back. JUST SAY ANTI-AUDIOPIPE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdorre Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Wait so did it pass or not? "The judges found the law is an unconstitutional suppression of free speech because it arbitrarily exempts vehicles used for business or political purposes. They also ruled a provision making it illegal for sound to be "plainly audible" from 25 feet or more away from a vehicle was unconstitutionally vague." No, its not banned On 5/8/2011 at 7:38 PM, Kranny said: On 5/8/2011 at 7:35 PM, 'Maxim' said: It hurts me inside when I read stuff like this and remember you're 15 LMFAO so true Mitsubishi 3000GT (Old Build) Headunit: Pioneer 80PRS Frontstage: (2) McLaren Audio MLT-2 Tweeters & (4) PRV Audio MR Series Neo 6.5" Mids Substage: 4 15" Hybrid Subs - Tantric Motors & Sundown Softies Amps: Banda 2.4D Amp (Tweets), American Bass VFL 350.4 (Mids), and (2) Ampere 3800s Electrical :Singer 260A Alt & JY Power Lithium 2005 Chevy Colorado Ext Cab Headunit: Pioneer 80PRS Frontstage: 4 PRV 700Ti Tweets & 6 10" Delta Mids on 3000wrms Substage: 6 Fi BTL 18s in a 4th Order Walkthrough on 3 Wolfram 4500s Electrical: Singer "390" and JY Power My Official Feedback Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swaggasaur Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Wait so did it pass or not? "The judges found the law is an unconstitutional suppression of free speech because it arbitrarily exempts vehicles used for business or political purposes. They also ruled a provision making it illegal for sound to be "plainly audible" from 25 feet or more away from a vehicle was unconstitutionally vague." No, its not banned...but if its heard from 25+ ft away, you can be fined. No. You can play as loud as want anywhere you want. The 25ft + law is what they got rid of BHE Wall Build TEAM DC Audio TEAM XS POWER1986 Monte Carlo KMC Nova's 20"4 DC XL's W/ PSI Recones2 DC 5k'sPioneer PRS 8010 Audio Technix 6 XS Power D3100's 1 XS Power D3400 Mechman 220a Alternator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt402 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Wait so did it pass or not? "The judges found the law is an unconstitutional suppression of free speech because it arbitrarily exempts vehicles used for business or political purposes. They also ruled a provision making it illegal for sound to be "plainly audible" from 25 feet or more away from a vehicle was unconstitutionally vague." No, its not banned...but if its heard from 25+ ft away, you can be fined. No. You can play as loud as want anywhere you want. The 25ft + law is what they got rid of damn WF is gunna be fun next year!!! =] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdorre Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Oh, whoops. I just skimmed it. I think I need some sleep Thanks for the correction though On 5/8/2011 at 7:38 PM, Kranny said: On 5/8/2011 at 7:35 PM, 'Maxim' said: It hurts me inside when I read stuff like this and remember you're 15 LMFAO so true Mitsubishi 3000GT (Old Build) Headunit: Pioneer 80PRS Frontstage: (2) McLaren Audio MLT-2 Tweeters & (4) PRV Audio MR Series Neo 6.5" Mids Substage: 4 15" Hybrid Subs - Tantric Motors & Sundown Softies Amps: Banda 2.4D Amp (Tweets), American Bass VFL 350.4 (Mids), and (2) Ampere 3800s Electrical :Singer 260A Alt & JY Power Lithium 2005 Chevy Colorado Ext Cab Headunit: Pioneer 80PRS Frontstage: 4 PRV 700Ti Tweets & 6 10" Delta Mids on 3000wrms Substage: 6 Fi BTL 18s in a 4th Order Walkthrough on 3 Wolfram 4500s Electrical: Singer "390" and JY Power My Official Feedback Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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korey_hofer Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 dammit I was actually hoping they would make the 25 ft rule nation wide previously known as wenn_du_weinst aka fucking internet coward supreme. I talk shit on other forums like a little bitch and hope i don't get caught out on the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swaggasaur Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 dammit I was actually hoping they would make the 25 ft rule nation wide What's your reasoning? BHE Wall Build TEAM DC Audio TEAM XS POWER1986 Monte Carlo KMC Nova's 20"4 DC XL's W/ PSI Recones2 DC 5k'sPioneer PRS 8010 Audio Technix 6 XS Power D3100's 1 XS Power D3400 Mechman 220a Alternator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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