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I have a Crystal CMP8 and a cheap 200w continuous amp laying around and have decided that I want to mess around with a few box designs for it for the sake of learning.

I can build standard ported enclosures just fine but I have always been interested in the bandpass enclosures.

Now I have frequency response equations for the fourth order bandpass and can plot them via Matlab, but beyond that I am not sure completely what I am looking for in a design.

I have gotten the flattest response with a 2:1 sealed:ported tuned to 55hz with minimal gain and a f3l~32hz, f3h~80hz and when I do 2:1 ported:sealed the f3 stays about the same but the gain is stupid high around the tuning frequency with no real plateau. And many of the fourth orders I have seen buiild have larger ported chambers then sealed.

My question is what should I really focus on for a fourth order bandpass enclosurewhen it comes to gain and how much I should worry about the flatness of the response curve?

The plan is loud and clear on music, as much as I like to see numbers I do not compete currently.

Please dun just respond telling me to buy a plan, and I'm not looking for professionals to divulge secrets, just rules of thumb. This is for learning and a project when I have time off work. If this were for a serious build I would just purchase a plan so its done right, but its not.

Thanks

EDIT: I can post my MATLAB graphs if requested to see what I am gettign via my equations.

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Hey you're on matlab, you must be an engineering student lol.

Bandpass are known to be louder than ported or sealed, but the group delay can be higher which some view as muddiness in the bass. I say you can't hear group delay if the subs are banging your ears apart.

2:1 can be appropriate, but it will depend on your sub. WinISD is pretty good. It gives you a lot of variables to play with in calculating, just be ready to convert.

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Actually just graduated in May haha, did electrical engineering. matlab is a great tool, cant edit quite as easily as say excel but I know how to grid out equations and graphs in it better. I could get a super flat response with 2:1 sealed:ported with the t/s parameters I had availible, anything else seemed to have a distorted curve.

I havent used winisd in a long time, Ill have to look into it again and see how the numbers compare. Yeah I knew they tend to be more spl oriented enlosures but since ive never made one I thought it would be a fun project, plus I enjoy figuring out the math behind the build haha, its nice to plug it in and visualize the ideal response of the system.

thanks

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Its one of those situations where you just gotta talk it through, and everyone I have to verbalize my thoughts to around me would look at me with an empty expression and no understanding <_< haha

Guss I should just grab a beer and break out the spare MDF I have laying around and just build it and let the trial and error begin :drinks:

EDIT: also winisd lets you change units now, you just click on the unit image next to the box and it cycles

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You always go with more ported than sealed. Some people go 1:1.5ish sealed:ported. Some people go as much as 1:3 sealed:ported. Tuning is normally between 40-60. Bigger sealed is more efficient, smaller sealed is more power handling. More ported is peakier output, smaller ported is more bandwidth. That's all I can think of right now

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You always go with more ported than sealed. Some people go 1:1.5ish sealed:ported. Some people go as much as 1:3 sealed:ported. Tuning is normally between 40-60. Bigger sealed is more efficient, smaller sealed is more power handling. More ported is peakier output, smaller ported is more bandwidth. That's all I can think of right now

thank you that is useful!!!! :good:

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I like .5sealed and 1.2 ported tuned to 41 with 14sqin per

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