SA-12's Sundown audio. amp?

[MrSkippyJ]

i would grab the SA-12s

plenty of affordable amps..i think the main thing with mainstream equipment is sometimes the price is a bit higher than some of the underground or less known brands...RF amps are great..but for the price you can get something with the same or more power of a lesser known brand...

AQ1200...$269.00 1200w @ 1ohm

RF t10001bd...$499.00 1000w @ 1ohm

I think this is a great example of mainstream vs less known brand

You should add the 2ohm ratings of both amps as well. You might start to see why some amps cost more than others. Not to say the AQ is a bad amp, but there is more than 1ohm power ratings to an amp.

[Sheena]

so i looked at the 2 ohm rating for each of those amps listed.

AQ

870X1 @ 2 ohm

Rockford Fosgate Power T10001bd (Silver/Red Box) 750 watts RMS x 1 at 2 ohms

Rockford Fosgate Power T1000-1bd (New Black Box) 2 ohms: 650 watts x 1 chan.

Rockford Fosgate T1000-1bdCP 2 ohms: 1,000 watts x 1 chan.

and den..? >.>

its pretty much the AQ 1200 for a good solid amp, then it drives off into the maxxsonics products.

something like a BRZ 1200.1 isnt bad imo. people like mb quart.

but AQ is the cheapest your going to get for a good 1200W amp

[MrSkippyJ]

AQ 1200

500x1@4ohms

870x1@2ohms

1200x1@1ohm

RF T1000-1bdcp (current model)

700x1@4ohms

1000x1@2ohms

1000x1@1ohm

Plus, my T1000-1bdcp was over 1400 at both 2ohms and 1ohm.

I'm not saying AQ isn't a good amp at all, but to just say get an AQ over an RF because what, it costs less? Look at the potential output across the different impedance levels and tell me there isn't a benefit to spending some more money. There is a nice benefit using the CP amps that helps minimize some of the effects of impedance rise too. Even Steve said he could tell a difference upgrading from his old RF amps (non CP) to the CP versions. This is a fantastic example of why VS. threads are not allowed, too many opinions and way too many variables. You would go the AQ route because it's cheaper. I would go the RF route because I enjoy the benefit of extra power.

[BeAlLsTaR13]

i would take the rf1000bd over aq1200d all day tbh, even at the prices, not only power but quality as well, not saying AQ is bad or anything but RF is known for quality product and CS, whereas AQs CS has gone down the shitter in the last year

[Sheena]

well IMO he said t10001bd.

but for $500 you can just get the 2200D, and not suck at building boxes.

or strap two AQ1200s.

he was highlighting mainstream vs underground/not known brands

[MrSkippyJ]

well IMO he said t10001bd.

but for $500 you can just get the 2200D, and not suck at building boxes.

or strap two AQ1200s.

he was highlighting mainstream vs underground/not known brands

I was just assuming he was talking about amps that are actually in production. He also mentioned it had more power, which, it doesn't.

and I paid $379.99 for my T1000-1bdcp from Audiosavings.

[Sheena]

"but for the price you can get something with the same or more power of a lesser known brand..."

AQ was an example.. but i think your taking this way out of context.

people still havent quite figured out amps yet.

people trash jl subs because they cost too much, but are nice.. etc, or whatever.

rf amps are the same, few other brands too..

i mean like, okay, 1-200 bucks for 3-400 more watts.. really? how can you justify that.

[MrSkippyJ]

$110 difference between the 2

And again, I'm not saying AQ is bad. They are cheaper, as long as you are willing to deal with a cheaper amp. They are not bad amps. But to just say that RF (or even JL for that matter) are bad because they are mainstream is wrong. JL and RF in particular are responsible for many of the technologies that the cheaper amps use. JL and RF do the research and put the money in up front that leads the way. Yes their stuff is more expensive and not always better than the cheaper counterparts. You wouldn't find me using JL or RF subs, but you would (and do) see me using RF amps. It simply has technologies not available in cheaper amps. I want the CP because I enjoy more power across the spectrum. I went with RF amps because I know the company behind them and the long history of CS that goes with them. Those are things that were important to me when purchasing amps. Some other people are only worried about cost (and of course not having shitty performance), so for them AQ is a good buy.

I'm only saying, you don't just write off mainstream because it is mainstream. Some companies do just literally use their name to keep going, but not all.

[Sheena]

not saying rf is bad lol, it would be a joy to own a CP amp. but the price.. sheesh >.>

i really rather deal with box building to get the rise down.

and just a question.. but arent the CP amps only good up until 2 ohms of rise? then they fall off? so like.. say my box was rising to 8 ohms, CP wouldnt help anyways would it? jw not being a smart ass or anything.

[CrazyCricket12]

I have two sa12s running off a Hifonics 5ch that's splitting 1000w between them and it's ok. My buddy putt a hifonics BRZ2400 on a pair of his sa12s wired at 1ohm and it slammed pretty good.