Who is pro and who is anti "assault gun" ban and why....

[Beanz]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kareanderson/2012/10/09/how-hospitals-can-stop-killing-as-many-patients/

[Leo1103]

i am pro removing all guns. i can't stand ppl that talk about "my right" when it comes to guns. the constitution is completely outdated and needs to be re-written. the world has changed tenfold since the 1800s. the 2nd amendment states nothing about an individuals right to own a weapon or gun of any sort for recreational use, it states that the government will allow a militia (well regulated) to bear arms to protect a "free state". lets take a look at countries with little to no gun regulations, they all have one thing in common and that is the highest murder rates in the world. some clown is going to say "what about chicago, they have the strictest gun laws". you're an idiot, do you really think that's a legit example? so you think that the surrounding areas that dont have the same regulations will reinforce the laws that are in another area of the country? so if an Illinois resident came down here to Louisiana that he couldn't stock up on whatever guns he wanted? I feel guns should be owned by licensed and registered ppl b/c it is a huge responsibility to own something with such force plus it says it in the constitution that a "well regulated militia". i feel that the process of getting licensed would involve a criminal and psychological background check as well as training to correctly handle and maintain your firearm.

just my $0.02, it's probably not even worth that.

back in the 1800s when they wrote the amendment, you werent reloading rounds in a second, it was taking them a minute or so each give or take to do 1 shot, now adays with semi autos you can empty a clip/mag in 2 secs if you wanted to. Thats the problem right there

they also weren't expecting people to voice opinions on facebook and twitter, doesn't mean we shouldn't

[n8ball2013]

i am pro removing all guns. i can't stand ppl that talk about "my right" when it comes to guns. the constitution is completely outdated and needs to be re-written. the world has changed tenfold since the 1800s. the 2nd amendment states nothing about an individuals right to own a weapon or gun of any sort for recreational use, it states that the government will allow a militia (well regulated) to bear arms to protect a "free state". lets take a look at countries with little to no gun regulations, they all have one thing in common and that is the highest murder rates in the world. some clown is going to say "what about chicago, they have the strictest gun laws". you're an idiot, do you really think that's a legit example? so you think that the surrounding areas that dont have the same regulations will reinforce the laws that are in another area of the country? so if an Illinois resident came down here to Louisiana that he couldn't stock up on whatever guns he wanted? I feel guns should be owned by licensed and registered ppl b/c it is a huge responsibility to own something with such force plus it says it in the constitution that a "well regulated militia". i feel that the process of getting licensed would involve a criminal and psychological background check as well as training to correctly handle and maintain your firearm.

just my $0.02, it's probably not even worth that.

back in the 1800s when they wrote the amendment, you werent reloading rounds in a second, it was taking them a minute or so each give or take to do 1 shot, now adays with semi autos you can empty a clip/mag in 2 secs if you wanted to. Thats the problem right there

back in the day. the musket was cutting edge and revolutionary. It was the most advanced personal firearm on the planet.

An ar-15 is far from a cutting edge concept. It was developed in the 1960s. it wasnt even the first semi auto developed. What it is that draws people to it is the modularity of it. You can change things can make it fit the owner. thats what makes it so popular. It is also styled after a military weapon in the appearance. Thats another draw for some. These are not hte same weapons of war that are portayed by the gun control crowd. If I had to go to combat with one the first thing that comes to mine is ummmm fuck.

Heres what Id like. If you are anti gun control. bring some stats and facts to the table for this discussion. list your source of information. Put a side your personal feelings and bring some information to the table and we will have a good old discussion on the topic.

[IH8PunkRok]

how is any of it irrelevant. people are killed by all them. You cant just disqualify something because it doesnt fit an agenda. Thats what the antis do. Regardless of how someone dies their death does not make it any differnet.

Its irrelevant because most of them can't be controlled therefore the amount if deaths don't matter, fire and water specifically. Doctors are dealing with dying people, the numbers are skewed, they save more than they kill.

The other two can be controlled and should be if the numbers show more than a few accidents

That's my point. Make a logical argument and maybe the feds won't fight you so much

[Beanz]

Feds don't care about logical argument they will just try to push there agenda through even if they have to make bs stats..

[n8ball2013]

logical argument? we are talking about politicians and legislation right? there are people far more in touch with this topic than i am who have presented more than one logical conclusion to legislators that have been ignored. How about the firearms industry is american through and through. we are in a recession that doesnt look like its going to end any time soon. Be enforcing stricter gun control measures we will be impacting more and more people than just legal gun owners. People will lose their jobs. they will be adding to the unemployment. and effectively killing one of the few growth industries in the country at this time.

Thats one logical thought. one that will impact eveyone and not just law abiding gun owners

[IH8PunkRok]

My question is this why have you people given up? If you believe in something so much then why are you here just complaining about it? Why aren't you out doing something?

Every person just expects the government to did as they please. Honestly I'm starting to wonder if people want the government to control them just so they can complain about it.

This is much bigger than guns but its not government that is the problem its the people

[n8ball2013]

who has given up? just because we've posted here doesnt mean any of us are not doing anything else for what we believe in.

Lets flip this. Why should we have to defend one of our constitutional rights?

[Bigsix]

how is any of it irrelevant. people are killed by all them. You cant just disqualify something because it doesnt fit an agenda. Thats what the antis do. Regardless of how someone dies their death does not make it any differnet.

Its irrelevant because most of them can't be controlled therefore the amount if deaths don't matter, fire and water specifically. Doctors are dealing with dying people, the numbers are skewed, they save more than they kill.

The other two can be controlled and should be if the numbers show more than a few accidents

That's my point. Make a logical argument and maybe the feds won't fight you so much

ok. Hammers, ice picks, shovels, baseball bats, cars, rocks, a broom handle, kitchen utensils, random household blunt objects.... Hows that for relevant? those listed items all are responsible for many many deaths ( murders) each year in the US, house hold knives kill farrrrrr many more people each year than the weapons that would become illegal under an assault weapons ban combined, yet I see no proposed legislation requiring the registering of those items.

as for you mentioning being skewed, you are aware that the numbers listing "assault weapons" related deaths ( gun deaths total actually) also include lawful shooting by police or people defending themselves as well, so remove those from your numbers to see how few crime related deaths are caused by "assault weapons". Also a statistic not a single one of you pro gun controller ever mention the numbers showing how many lives are SAVED each year by competent gun owners, and that is the key number right there: it dwarfs the number of people murdered by guns. So lets not point out things being skewed or irrelevant, unless you are willing to look at both sides of that fence.

As as for doctors, aka dying from malpractice.... I did the math and you are like 1000 times more likely to die from malpractice than from a gun.

Yet we are forced into Obamacare if we dont have insurance..... lol.. force me into a program that is more likely to kill me then guns, yets take away my guns, which according to math, are statistically much much less likely to kill me.

[IH8PunkRok]

who has given up? just because we've posted here doesnt mean any of us are not doing anything else for what we believe in.

Lets flip this. Why should we have to defend one of our constitutional rights?

No let's not flip it. The cards are on the table. You are being attacked unlawfully. So are you going to do something about it?

Don't forget I'm on the side of the people, always have been. you have to defend one of your rights because it is being attacked. So defend it. Rally people together, let the government know you are pissed. And don't use the excuse that they won't listen of course they won't, all the more reason to fight. Did Britain listen when we said we wanted our own nation?