lets talk about soundstaging

[Kevin M]

Then go ham my friend and make a build log. I, we; can recommend some midbass for you to try. Peerless and Dayton come to mind.

[bassman619]

So what do you think of mids in all four stock locations..tweets in the stock locations and the fabricate tweet space on the front doors ..doors pointed at opposite listeners..so drivers pointed at passenger ..passangers pointed at driver and see if I need midbass later?..

[Kevin M]

I would only run one pair of tweeters but if you want to run both then go to the "A" pillars with one pair and factory position with the other. Factory location for the midranges will work.

[bassman619]

What do you thinkbl of the diamond audios? I like diamond because they offer a 6x9 mid that way i wouldnt have to use adapters of fabricate to put in 6.5s in the back

[Kevin M]

Don't know anything about the brand. Maybe someone else will chime in.

[bbeljefe]

Unless you're running stupid power you don't need multiple pairs of tweeters to keep up with the bass. I would think that with one good set of tweeters in the factory locations and a decent set of midbass drivers you'll be able to create a good sound stage. Good dome tweets can get really loud on not a lot of power.

As for sound stage and what it really means... it means having the music at ear level to the listener with localizable stereo separation and at the same time, a definite center. Cars are tough to build a good sound stage in because the midbass drivers (and often the tweets) are pointing at your calves if in doors or bouncing off the windshield if in the dash.

As for rear fill, that's entirely up to the listener, but in the concert hall there aren't usually loudspeakers behind the listener and the whole idea of reprocducing music has long been to make it sound like it would if you were listening to a live performance.

I would recommend installing 8" drivers in the doors and tweeters in the factory spots, with plenty of power on the mids and not much power on the tweets, if you can afford to bi-amp them. I have Neo Pro 8s in my doors with Soundstream TWS-3N tweets in the factory windshield post locations. I've run 200, 100 and now 300 watts per channel to the mids but have only ever run the tweets on 75wpc and at that, the amp that's on them is turned down as far as it will go. The Neo Pros are crossed over at ~80 Hz and they sound great on any power, although now that they're getting 300wp, they get really loud and create remarkable midbass.

But whatever you do, make sure you deaden the hell out of the doors. Especially if you run 8s on high power, because you could buy a $3000.00 set of Focal mids and they'll sound like hammered shit in some rattling, loose doors.

As for rear speakers, if you like to listen to music in surround mode on an HT setup, then you'll probably like rear fill. Personally, I like the stage to be in front of me and at ear level, so I no longer use my rear speakers. In fact, I only have them because I used to carry back seat passengers. But now that I'm getting rid of the back seats, there will be no need of them.

[bassman619]

That's some really good info..and yes I am running a lot of bass..2 rf t2 15"s 1500w rms a piece..so That's the whole reason..I want my highs n mids to keep up with all that bass

[bbeljefe]

I'm running a Sundown Zv3 in a t-line @.5Ω on a BX1-1600 currently. When I had the SA-15 on 1500 watts, 100wpc was plenty of power for the mids. And even with the bigger sub, bass amp and mid amp, I haven't moved the gain setting on the tweeter amp because I haven't needed to. Matter of fact, I was listening to some decaf song a few days ago and the treble was so bright that I couldn't listen to the song. I don't even think it would have helped enough to turn the treble down on the head unit.

[genesis]

I run mids only in the rear, faded down, or cut off altogether.

[RooTxBeeR]

Thanks bbeljefe, you've been putting a lot of good info out their recently.