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A 4th order is not a bandpass, but a bandpass is a 4th order. A regular vented enclosure is a bass reflex box. A 4th order that most people think of is actually a 4th order bandpass enclosure, or single reflex box. The two are not the same, but both are 4th orders.

Im not the one you want to try to troll. Just a fyi for you.

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i just like my sp4 in my 4th bandpass sealed/ported box thing.

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A 4th order is not a bandpass, but a bandpass is a 4th order. A regular vented enclosure is a bass reflex box. A 4th order that most people think of is actually a 4th order bandpass enclosure, or single reflex box. The two are not the same, but both are 4th orders.

thank you Sierra..

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When you have a driver and an encloser that creates a 2nd order roll off of 12 dB/octave; when you add a port to an enclosure/driver environment you add 2 more orders and it becomes a 4th order NON-BANDPASS. in a bandpass enclosure you have both a sealed section with a 12 dB/octave roll-off for the low end and a 24 dB/octave roll-off on the high end controlled by the ported section. This means that the port and the airspace in the port DO NOT control the low-end extension in the response.

Also it is much more than just making it a 2:1 ratio. This all matters on your end goal; with a large ratio you are more likely to have a large bump in response around tuning and with a lower ratio you become more closer to a flat response you become. If you want to go PURE SPL you can make a huge ratio with the ported:sealed being like 20:1 however you will have pretty much the tuned note being playable as every other note will be 4-20 dB quieter. Such as the sundown van in a 4th order bandpass with 2 18's hitting 60's.

You can also make a sealed box a 4th order by adding a 2nd order LPF to it to gain a 24 dB/octave slope.

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Krakin's Home Dipole Project

http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/186153-krakins-dipole-project-new-reciever-in-rockford-science/#entry2772370

Krakin, are you some sort of mad scientist?

I would have replied earlier, but I was measuring the output of my amp with a yardstick . . .

What you hear is not the air pressure variation in itself

but what has drawn your attention

in the two streams of superimposed air pressure variations at your eardrums

An acoustic event has dimensions of Time, Tone, Loudness and Space

Everyone learns to render the 3-dimensional localization of sound based on the individual shape of their ears,

thus no formula can achieve a definite effect for every listener.

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Damn it! Sorry Miguels. I thought I knew what I was talking about. I guess I need to check myself before calling someone out on calling me out. I'll be honest, I'm fricken confused at this point!

I'm not an idiot by any means, I'm a fairly intelligent guy. Just when I think I know something about audio I'm slapped in the face with reality and realize how much I don't know.

I think that's why people can get so passionate about this hobby, there are so many facets one can geek out on and learn, learn, learn.

Back to the books...

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Damn it! Sorry Miguels. I thought I knew what I was talking about. I guess I need to check myself before calling someone out on calling me out. I'll be honest, I'm fricken confused at this point!

I'm not an idiot by any means, I'm a fairly intelligent guy. Just when I think I know something about audio I'm slapped in the face with reality and realize how much I don't know.

I think that's why people can get so passionate about this hobby, there are so many facets one can geek out on and learn, learn, learn.

Back to the books...

At least you admit your mistake, many people won't do that.

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Krakin's Home Dipole Project

http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/186153-krakins-dipole-project-new-reciever-in-rockford-science/#entry2772370

Krakin, are you some sort of mad scientist?

I would have replied earlier, but I was measuring the output of my amp with a yardstick . . .

What you hear is not the air pressure variation in itself

but what has drawn your attention

in the two streams of superimposed air pressure variations at your eardrums

An acoustic event has dimensions of Time, Tone, Loudness and Space

Everyone learns to render the 3-dimensional localization of sound based on the individual shape of their ears,

thus no formula can achieve a definite effect for every listener.

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its not your fault.. many false information is floating around and makes people think something is correct when its not.. i used to think the same about 4th orders/bandpass and just started to learn from some who build them.

edit.. im not an expert by any means and still learning

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