Karkov Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 When do the next gen GPU's and CPU's come out? I heard it was soon but....are they worth waiting for or will the mark ups be high and will there be a lot of issues with them right out the gate? Is it better to buy something now while prices are semi low on things we know to be tried and true? so the GTX 980Ti is twice the price of the GTX 970 but is it really twice the performance better?!?! and/or worth double the damn price?!?! I have been building my own gaming rigs since 2003 but in recent years i haven't gamed at all so I have gotten behind in the times. I have gone Intel and AMD before, I have gone Nvidea and ATI as well etc. When does Direct X 12 launch?! Do current games support DDR4 memory? I recently built a PC and am not impressed with it's performance. I may build a different one. I run multiple HDD's and multiple SSD's but not in RAID 0 which I would like to do, how do I do that? lol I suck at anything software related but am decent at hardware. I have never done hard lined water cooling but I do the simple CPU water cooling kit stuff. I toy around with OC'ing but am not good at all. If I do build another PC I will most likely not do any OC'ing and just get stuff that is decent out the box and stable with longevity in mind. If I do build another one my priorities in order would be #1 Performance #2 Longevity #3 cost I am not looking for some $6000 build that plays anything but more like something under 2k that can almost play anything, lol?> Case- not picky, i want to go cheap on this because case doesn't increase performance (i need it to fit ALL my needs though) OS- I always buy the $99 OEM version, and I suppose at this point in time I might just as well go Windows 10 even though I hate it Disk Drive- I always buy some cheap $20 OEM thing because I don't blueray on my computer or burn things PSU- I already have a 1000 watt I plan on using MOBO- I am not brand loyal here, would be open to suggestions, again I need one that I don't have to mess around with OC'ing with... RAM- I am looking for DDR4 3000 16 gig of this...I usually use Corsair but am open to other brand options since there are a lot of good ones now CPU- I am leaning towards a Intel 6700K 4.0 GHz but am open to other suggestions. I know I want Intel for this build GPU- Nvidea but NO SLI, No less than a GTX 970 but would like a GTX 980Ti but for the price might settle on a GTX980 (thoughts??!) Cooling- will most likely add aftermarket fans to all spots in the case but would like to use a CPU water cooler kit, suggestions? HDD- Already have plenty enough of these I will use SSD- I might buy a couple 480 gig ones and try to run in RAID 0, or maybe just some 256 gig ones (Samsung preferably but open to whatever) For the CPU is the 4970K still awesome? what about the 5820? that one seems popular. I don't want to 6700 3.4 GHz one, but rather the 4.0 GHz one. Open to any and all suggestions, please. Would like to spend $1000-$1500 but I know this will all end up being closer to $2000 depending on graphics card and processor. I WILL NOT spend over 2k though sine I don't really game anymore. (I hop onto WoW every once and a while) I only have one PC currently and will just use it as a spare. (desktop, no laptops) I know this got long so I am sorry, but I know you computer guys will love the read and fiend on building computers and such, LOL! 2007 Chevy Tahoe (SOLD) 12 ~ FI Audio X series 10" w/BP option 2 ~ DC Audio 5.0K @0.67 3 ~ DC Audio 5.0K @1.0 2 ~ PPI 3 way sets (not installed yet) 1 ~ RF T400-4, 1 ~ RF T600-2, 1 ~ RF T600-4 4 ~ CT Sounds 5.25" Strato comps (rear fill only) 1 ~ XS Power D4800 1 ~ XS Power D3400 8 ~ XS Power XP3000 160 stock alt, Mechman 370 Elite, 185 DC Power 320+ Sq. Ft. Sound Deadener Pioneer AVH-X5500BHS Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/knfjdkghjudfhsgkjdhf/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiofanaticz Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 DirectX12 is already out, you need Windows10 to have it though since it is exclusive to win10. Any games or applications built before directx12 release will not take advantage of dx12 and will run as dx11 as they were designed around. If you want ddr4 you are locking yourself into Intel since there is currently no ddr4 amd boards, hell I dont even think they have pci-e 3.0 boards yet since I have one of the best amd boards, and am running pci-e 2.0. For gaming purposes you wont really notice any difference with ddr4, vs ddr3 as of yet. Some programs and rendering can take advantage of it however. My opinion if your buying/building a new PC you wouldnt want to go with an old generation of this or that, because it would just be outdated that much faster. Considering DDR4 is here to stay and DDR3 is going byebye Im sure there will be more advances to come with DDR4 with the future, by that I mean games/programs that take use of it. You can set up RAID in your bios of your computer depending how many drives you are putting in raid. Your going to want some redundancy especially if your using platter style drives. You will lose all current data on your drives when you go to do this so back everything up!! IMO raid is not really worth it with platter style drives because a single SSD is already faster than a pair of drives in raid 0. SSDs is another story, but the speeds shown in raid 0 using synthetic benchmarks are amazing, however day to day tasks are taking just as long as a pair of SSDs in raid vs a SSD by itself. Heres a good article with graphs. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-raid-benchmark,3485.html 970 vs 980 vs 980ti Well if your willing to upgrade to the 980 from the 970, you might as well just jump to the 980ti right of the bat for $130ish more. With the 980Ti you will gain 2gb more of video ram for a total of 6gb, you will get 384bit memory interface (which is faster) instead of the 256bit that the 980 and 970 have, and you will get 2816 cuda cores with the 980Ti instead of 2048 with the 980 or 1664 with the 970. So really from 970 to 980 its a decent gain of performance, and another gain of performance from the 980 to the 980Ti. Now for CPUs Im assuming you mean the 4790K which is socket LGA1150, its not really that bad of a cpu, but you are locking yourself down to DDR3 memory which is getting you a rather outdated pc for being a new pc. For $40 more you can get the 6core 5820k on LGA2011-3 which is X99 chipset and is DDR4. You can also look at the LGA1151 chipset which is Z170 iirc which is the newest intel chipset out and also DDR4. So it comes down to which chipset can you get more performance per dollar for LGA2011-3 or LGA1151, and go with that. Also something worth adding is with the LGA1151 processors, the circuit board is much thinner than say a 2011-3, and people have bent them. Im not sure how common this problem is, or if its people being dump and over tightenting their heat sinks on improperly. But here is a thread with some photos http://forums.evga.com/LGA-2011v3-vs-LGA-1151-m2435772.aspx The 6700K your looking can have this problem if your not extra careful as its LGA1151. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiofanaticz Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 So you said no more than $2000, I came in at $2018 without the Mail In Rebates. Case: Corsair Obsidian Series 450D $120 - $10 MIR = $110 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139042&ignorebbr=1 Mobo: ASUS X99-PRO $340 + $2 shipping = $342 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132517&ignorebbr=1 CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K $390 + $5 shipping = $395 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117402 CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro Series™ H115i 280MM $130 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181100&ignorebbr=1 Memory: CORSAIR Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 $110 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233849&ignorebbr=1 GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 980Ti $680 - $20 MIR + $7 shipping = $667 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487146&ignorebbr=1 SSD: SAMSUNG 850 PRO 512GB $250 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147361&ignorebbr=1 But with mail in rebates your at $2,004.00 including shipping on the items that are not free to ship.If that $4.00 is to much over your budget I will Paypal you said $4.00... Also you maybe able to find some prices cheaper at other sites such as amazon. I buy from Newegg, and its just easier to put everything in 1 cart, click pay 1 time, and track 1 order instead of having to go to multiple places and wait on multiple packages just to save a few bucks. *I did not include an OS since you seemed like you are interested in DirectX12, and if you want that you need Windows 10 which is free iirc. **I also did not include an optical drive since you said you dont watch bluerays or burn cd's, so there is really no point to wasting a few bucks on a drive since most games you buy in store are just a key which require you to download them anyways, and for installing an OS you can do that off a thumb drive. I have yet to use my optical drive since I started my PC build a couple years ago, its actually just taking up space in my bay. But if you really need an optical drive and cant pull it out of your current pc you have now here is a cd/dvd burner for $20 + $1 shipping = $21 (not included with above price). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151281&ignorebbr=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karkov Posted February 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 wow, very, very, very informative, exactly what I was looking for!! Good to know about the direct X 11-12 thingy, thanks!! I think at this point in time I will take your advice and get DDR4 memory, again thanks!! For the SSD/HDD/RAID 0 thing I think it's more simple for a noob like me to just run a single SSD as my primary (as I already do) and forget about the RAID 0 thing for now. =) Yea, I was talking about the 4790k but after reading what you wrote I will definitely not be getting that one. I'll research price points on the others and look into performance vs. price. (5820 vs 6700). Thin chipsets scares me a little but I am usually SO* cautious during that part, I'll just have to be even more cautious...thanks for the heads up, I had not heard that As for the 970 / 980 / 980Ti debate, I see what you are saying how each one is noticeable better than the previous but looking at pricing the 970 is 300-350 and the 980Ti is 600-650 so is the 980TI really that much better to justify TWICE the cost?! OH, that brings me to another thing I know little about, the 980TI can easily do 4k right? well right now I only run at like 2550 or whatever it is but I would like to run at 3200 (in WoW) so would that make a difference? I don't think I have a 4k Monitor and I definitely don't have a 4k TV. Although I do only have a 24" monitor right now but am definitely wanting to upgrade to something much bigger. Thoughts?! What else do I need to make it work? I am a 4k noob. I don't watch anything in 4k so I am not really a person who is ready for it yet. If it becomes more common though I would like the capability I guess in a couple years and not have to build another new PC. 2007 Chevy Tahoe (SOLD) 12 ~ FI Audio X series 10" w/BP option 2 ~ DC Audio 5.0K @0.67 3 ~ DC Audio 5.0K @1.0 2 ~ PPI 3 way sets (not installed yet) 1 ~ RF T400-4, 1 ~ RF T600-2, 1 ~ RF T600-4 4 ~ CT Sounds 5.25" Strato comps (rear fill only) 1 ~ XS Power D4800 1 ~ XS Power D3400 8 ~ XS Power XP3000 160 stock alt, Mechman 370 Elite, 185 DC Power 320+ Sq. Ft. Sound Deadener Pioneer AVH-X5500BHS Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/knfjdkghjudfhsgkjdhf/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiofanaticz Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 For me, the 5820k > 6700k Id rather have the 6 cores at a slight slower speed and have a little more cache than 4 cores and a little faster speed. Of coarse you could put a simple overclock on the 6core and make it even faster (tho the same can be said for the 6700). You can usually do a simple overclock in windows using the Mobo ai tuner suite or whatever its called and not have to mess around in bios, but even in bios small overclocks are fairly easy. When pushing higher resolutions the video memory is going to play in big time, thats where the 980ti will shine over the 970 or even the 980. It is a lot easier on a GPU to watch 4k content vs trying to play a game on 4k, just because they are both 4k resolutions your watching the gaming will tax your system a lot harder. Is the price worth it? To me yes! Typically your CPU and your GPU are where you want to spend your money even if that means gimping slightly on something else like getting the Corsair Vengeance series of memory instead of their higher price Dominator Platinum which is a $20 difference for the same size same speed same latency. But again just an example of skimping on something else instead of skimping on the GPU or CPU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karkov Posted February 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Sweet man, thank you thank you thank you! Couple things though, I already use 2 SSD's and 1-4 (depending how many I put in) HDD's so what SSD would you recommend if I dropped down to 256 gig for money saving?? Just curious, why did you choose the 5820 CPU over the 6700? Because it is 6 core? Price to performance is better? I know the 820 is better series than the 700 but the 6000 is newer right? Is the 3.3 GHz 6 core fast/better than the 4.0 GHz quad core? The case looks good (I already have fans I can put in it), the CPU cooler looks good, the RAM looks good,... What makes the MOBO cost so much?!?! (I am noob sorry, I am used to buying ones that are $100 max, lol?) Also, with all the GTX 680TI to choose from on the site, how did you choose that one? I am just curious as I don't know the differences when there are a BUNCH of GTX 980TI 2007 Chevy Tahoe (SOLD) 12 ~ FI Audio X series 10" w/BP option 2 ~ DC Audio 5.0K @0.67 3 ~ DC Audio 5.0K @1.0 2 ~ PPI 3 way sets (not installed yet) 1 ~ RF T400-4, 1 ~ RF T600-2, 1 ~ RF T600-4 4 ~ CT Sounds 5.25" Strato comps (rear fill only) 1 ~ XS Power D4800 1 ~ XS Power D3400 8 ~ XS Power XP3000 160 stock alt, Mechman 370 Elite, 185 DC Power 320+ Sq. Ft. Sound Deadener Pioneer AVH-X5500BHS Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/knfjdkghjudfhsgkjdhf/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karkov Posted February 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 For me, the 5820k > 6700k Id rather have the 6 cores at a slight slower speed and have a little more cache than 4 cores and a little faster speed. Of coarse you could put a simple overclock on the 6core and make it even faster (tho the same can be said for the 6700). You can usually do a simple overclock in windows using the Mobo ai tuner suite or whatever its called and not have to mess around in bios, but even in bios small overclocks are fairly easy. When pushing higher resolutions the video memory is going to play in big time, thats where the 980ti will shine over the 970 or even the 980. It is a lot easier on a GPU to watch 4k content vs trying to play a game on 4k, just because they are both 4k resolutions your watching the gaming will tax your system a lot harder. Is the price worth it? To me yes! Typically your CPU and your GPU are where you want to spend your money even if that means gimping slightly on something else like getting the Corsair Vengeance series of memory instead of their higher price Dominator Platinum which is a $20 difference for the same size same speed same latency. But again just an example of skimping on something else instead of skimping on the GPU or CPU. Cool man, sounds good, so I will stick to the GTX 980TI, I will also stick with the 5820K CPU, I like that you chose the Corsair Platinum RAM for me, Just curious if you could pick me out a SSD that's 256 instead? (save money only). Still curious what makes MOBO's cost more than others Also, I have a 1000 watt PSU but do I need to use one that big? Would a 750 suffice? (I dont have a 750 laying around though) Any other suggestions? I am open to whatever, what would you do? What would you change? I have windows 7/10 on a disk but already am using the key so how do I get Windows 10 free as you are saying? 2007 Chevy Tahoe (SOLD) 12 ~ FI Audio X series 10" w/BP option 2 ~ DC Audio 5.0K @0.67 3 ~ DC Audio 5.0K @1.0 2 ~ PPI 3 way sets (not installed yet) 1 ~ RF T400-4, 1 ~ RF T600-2, 1 ~ RF T600-4 4 ~ CT Sounds 5.25" Strato comps (rear fill only) 1 ~ XS Power D4800 1 ~ XS Power D3400 8 ~ XS Power XP3000 160 stock alt, Mechman 370 Elite, 185 DC Power 320+ Sq. Ft. Sound Deadener Pioneer AVH-X5500BHS Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/knfjdkghjudfhsgkjdhf/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotdog Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Here is the system I just built and I just reused my SSD drive ,storage drive's, DVD/cd drive. $659.98 two of these in crossfire Radeon R9 390 --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121974 $209.99 G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232197 $109.99 Corsair Vengeance Series C70 Gunmetal Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139013 $89.74 Noctua NH-D15 SSO2 D-Type Premium CPU Cooler, NF-A15 x 2 PWM Fans --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608045 (best air cooler on the market) $381.99 Intel Core i7-6700K 8M Skylake Quad-Core 4.0 GHz --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117559 $199.99 ASUS ROG MAXIMUS VIII RANGER LGA 1151 Intel Z170 --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132586 Total = $1651.68 It run's really well and was able to run the CPU at 4.8ghz with the air cooler at 42c. After benchmark around 48c can game at 4k. http://www.3dmark.com/fs/7646506 Should be able to reuse your OS. I had windows 7 and windows 8 pro. I installed Windows 7 on the SSD and windows 8 pro on a 500gb drive then upgraded with clean install to Windows 10 pro. I thought I might have to call Microsoft but everything activated fine with the new computer. (NEW) 2004 F-150 Build Log -->http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/192208-hotdogs-f-150-build-log/ 2003 Mercury Mountaineer Build Log --> http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/114380-hotdogs-2003-mountaineer-build-log-20-removed/page__gopid__1602379#entry1602379 2008 Equinox Build Log --> http://www.stevemead...g/#entry1475764 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiofanaticz Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Samsung all the way for SSDs, only other company I would be interested in is Intel SSDs. If you want the 256 Samsung 850Pro just click the tab on the site towards the top for the 256gb, its $140. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147360&ignorebbr=1 I run a 256gb 840Pro now and wish I would of bought bigger the first time around now that I only have a OS and a few games installed on it and I only have 15gb free... The Corsair case also comes with 3 120mm fans already iirc, they are not the best, but not the worse. Really with the 3 that come with it, the corsair cpu cooler, not much need for more fans, unless you wanted to upgrade to a higher quality fan like Noctua. TBH, the z170 cpus do scare me a little with them bending, thats why I didnt suggest the 6700K. In all reality the 6700K and the 5820K are pretty equal in performance, depending on how feature rich of a mobo you buy making the big difference in price to performance. the 6700k will beat the 5820k at single core tasks partially due to its higher clock speed, while the 5820k will pull ahead of the 6700k for doing cpu intensive things like editing, rendering, and many games. Also the 5820K has 28 PCI-E lanes, while the 6700K only has 20. So if you ever do run a second or third video card in SLI you have the potential to be faster on the 5820 due to the additional lanes. But I guess thats something I look at since I run 3way SLI, and to you its not really a need. Yes the LGA1151 z170 intel chipset is newest Ie the 6700K is newer than the 5820k. But there really is no wrong choice here between the 2 imo. The 1000watt PSU is fine, it wont use more power from the wall then it needs. If you already have it, there is no reason to spend money on something lesser, the only way the 750 watt psu would be more efficient is if it has a higher efficiency rating. LinusTechTips just did a video on this where they put a few powersupplys head to head on a system that only needed 400 watts, and the Corsair 1500I beat them all with pulling less power from the wall and being more efficient. With older versions of windows you can use the cd key several times, so I would just install your said windows 7 and then do the "free upgrade" to windows 10, and do a fresh install of windows 10. I was running a cracked version of windows 7 ultimate, and got upgraded to windows 10 pro.. LOL But I only had a cracked version due to me reinstalling windows 7 too many times and using up all my keys. I like to format once a year it seems when my pc is feeling sluggish. For the video card I went with a company that is well known and respected. Asus also makes great cards. The difference in the cards are going to be the coolers being used, the acx coolers will cool the cards better than a card that uses the reference blower style cooler that use only 1 fan and gets loud when it speeds up to cool the card, where as the cards with 2 or 3 fans on the coolers will maintain lower temperatures with lower fan rpms keeping them quieter. Also the 980Ti I chose was the "classified" version which means it is not the refrence pc-b designed by nvidia and changes have been made to make the card a lot more stable and stronger. So it has a higher Core clock out of the box, it also has a higher boost clock out of the box, it will overclock even better if you choose to do that (which is super easy compared to cpu overclocking), it includes a metal backplate. You could get this non classified version but still has the acx twin fan cooler for $637 after MIR, but it has slightly slower processor core and boost clocks and no back plate. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487141&ignorebbr=1 So it would be up to you if those things are worth $30 or not. Motherboard prices are ehhhhh. It comes down to the features and options they come with usually, higher quality onboard sound, capacitors, the power delivery, stability (some brands and models overclock better than others), and so on. Sure brand name will play a little bit in price too At the end of the day you got to realize no matter what you buy that in a few years or even less that your parts will be "outdated" compared to what is on the market, but it doesnt mean that you need to upgrade. I bought my Evga 780Ti video cards on 11/7/2013 and spent $2250 on them iirc. They are almost 3 years old, but only 1 generation behind since the was no 800 series cards except for in laptops.Yet Im still playing new release games on max settings with a 1440P screen without issues. So just because something new comes out doesnt make your stuff junk instantly. I know if I make a switch to a Intel cpu and a x99 mobo and some ddr4 I will have a new beast of a pc compared to what I have now while using the same cards Im currently running and are outdated. I think thats everything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiofanaticz Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 If you look on Futurmarks site, you will see the 5820K beating the 6700k (prices are way wrong though and changed drastically so you cant include the value for money in the comparison since theres only a $30 difference and not a $1400 difference like the outdated prices on the site shows). But synthetic benchmarks will always be different from real world performance. http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/cpu/Intel+Core+i7-6700K/review Then you look at my AMD FX-9370 processor that I was a idiot to buy and you see that its getting beat by 30points from a intel 5700HQ which is a damn laptop processor........ SMH http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/cpu/AMD+FX-9370/review?_ga=1.143218992.423351358.1456219476 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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