creyc Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 I'm running (2) 15" AA Havocs, which are similar to fully loaded Fi Q's. They sound great, get low, and pretty loud too. (metering around 145 dB) Anyway it's not loud enough for me of course, so I'm looking at all my options and the BTL has caught my eye, particularly after seeing some of its amazing efficiency numbers compared to my subs. It sounds like these BTL's would convert a LOT more of my electrical (amplifier) power into sound power, though I don't know at what SQ expense. I use my system for music listening, so I need to be loud along a fairly wide bandwidth. I know this is mostly determined by the enclosure, but switching to BTLs is gonna sound different no matter what, and I'm trying to find out what that is, and will it still sound good enough for music? (rock, alternative, indie stuffs) If BTL's are gonna sound mechanical and rough I'll say skip it and just add more of my current 15's. Quote 2001 Chevy Blazer (2) SAZ-3000Ds (2) custom 18" Madmax subs in a second row wall Rockford 600-4 Pioneer PRS components Pioneer P800PRS deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFearX18 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 I'm running (2) 15" AA Havocs, which are similar to fully loaded Fi Q's. They sound great, get low, and pretty loud too. (metering around 145 dB)Anyway it's not loud enough for me of course, so I'm looking at all my options and the BTL has caught my eye, particularly after seeing some of its amazing efficiency numbers compared to my subs. It sounds like these BTL's would convert a LOT more of my electrical (amplifier) power into sound power, though I don't know at what SQ expense. I use my system for music listening, so I need to be loud along a fairly wide bandwidth. I know this is mostly determined by the enclosure, but switching to BTLs is gonna sound different no matter what, and I'm trying to find out what that is, and will it still sound good enough for music? (rock, alternative, indie stuffs) If BTL's are gonna sound mechanical and rough I'll say skip it and just add more of my current 15's. Havocs sound much better and get louder (to the ear) than Q's. thats my oppinion. The BTL isnt a SQ sub so it sounds much different. loud though! Quote My Videos AQ + AA/Fi FTMFW!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ty_houston Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 I'm running (2) 15" AA Havocs, which are similar to fully loaded Fi Q's. They sound great, get low, and pretty loud too. (metering around 145 dB)Anyway it's not loud enough for me of course, so I'm looking at all my options and the BTL has caught my eye, particularly after seeing some of its amazing efficiency numbers compared to my subs. It sounds like these BTL's would convert a LOT more of my electrical (amplifier) power into sound power, though I don't know at what SQ expense. I use my system for music listening, so I need to be loud along a fairly wide bandwidth. I know this is mostly determined by the enclosure, but switching to BTLs is gonna sound different no matter what, and I'm trying to find out what that is, and will it still sound good enough for music? (rock, alternative, indie stuffs) If BTL's are gonna sound mechanical and rough I'll say skip it and just add more of my current 15's. What about the AA mayhem's? Same as a Btl fully loaded. Quote supercharged hummer h2 8 Sundown nightshade v'2 Scott Bowman built 4th order bandpass 2 precision power pcx 4125(mids & hi's) 2 Stetsom 14k2e's alpine ina-w910 dual Mike Singer350 amp alt 8 kinetic 2400 batteries two shuriken bt 120 1 kinetic 2000 under the hood link to build log: My link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Building Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Havocs sound much better and get louder (to the ear) than Q's. thats my oppinion.The BTL isnt a SQ sub so it sounds much different. loud though! Of course the enclosure is the most important aspect though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFearX18 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 What about the AA mayhem's? Same as a Btl fully loaded. not entirely... check the difference in the specs. Of course the enclosure is the most important aspect though. true but a BTL will not sound like a Q no matter what box its in. The BTL is a loud subs but the Q sounds so good. Its SPL vs SQ here. Quote My Videos AQ + AA/Fi FTMFW!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AI James Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 they sound alot different, imo a Q sounds leaps and bounds better then a btl, but loudness is pretty night and day also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFearX18 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 they sound alot different, imo a Q sounds leaps and bounds better then a btl, but loudness is pretty night and day also I agree. My BTL wont play anything really except for Rap and Hip hop. its quite picky... Freind of mine had a 15" Q and it sounded good on everything. he had it tuned to about 33hz and it sounder great. he has havocs now tuned the same and it sounds much better and deeper. Quote My Videos AQ + AA/Fi FTMFW!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01xtreme Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 they sound alot different, imo a Q sounds leaps and bounds better then a btl, but loudness is pretty night and day also I concur. The Q is a great sub, especially for the money, but the BTL will absolutely annihilate the Q on SPL thanks in no small part to its massive increase in power handling. I say it all depends on what you want to power the sub with. If you're going to feed a BTL 1kw, then I would say keep what you're running right now. Quote My System: Pioneer AVH-P3200BT 4-Dayton 7 inch reference series (front doors) 8-Onkyo 3/4 inch tweeters (dash) 1-Sundown Audio 100.4D (mids/highs) 2-18" BTL's (for now) Crescendo 3kwp (for sale) Complete rebuild coming soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AI James Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 yea i think havocs sound better then Q's also, but some others think they sound the same. ive owned them all sold them all lol the old 3 slug btl is pretty much the same as a mayhem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creyc Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 I'm not too interested in putting insane gobs of power on either one. In fact the thing that interested me most about the BTL is how loud it gets even on < 1000w due to its efficiency. It's a LOUD sub, this i know. I was hoping some of you guys who have heard both a Q (or Havoc if you have) and a BTL, could give me more of your thoughts and opinions on the way the two sounded. Almost everyone says "A Q is for SQ and a BTL is for SPL" but no one explains why the BTL sounds "bad" or what it lacks in comparison to a Q. I'm looking for more opinion than fact here guys so lets hear it! What do you think of the two? What bugs you about the way a BTL sounds on music? Quote 2001 Chevy Blazer (2) SAZ-3000Ds (2) custom 18" Madmax subs in a second row wall Rockford 600-4 Pioneer PRS components Pioneer P800PRS deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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