s-saudio Posted November 19, 2009 Author Report Posted November 19, 2009 Mike, I think that with those 2X4's on each side of the port in the rear chamber it is going to hurt output quite a bit. I would remove them and use 1 1/4" dowel rod or even 1/2" threaded rod. 2X4's kill the wave on the inside of the box and I've had nothing but issues when using them in an enclosure. thanks for the tip Zack not a fan of the rods but they are round which is a good aspect. What sort of issues are you referring to? Caprice Wagon build 2010 Florida Spring Break Nationals MECA Drive By Winner 161DB on 15K @ 41hz Eclipse Build 155+ No Wall 2007 Steel Valley Regionals 3X 139.9 Winner 2008 SoundXtreme 3X 149.9 Winner 2008 Slamology 149.9 3X Winner 2008 149.9 Bass Race World Champion 2009 149.9 Florida Spring Break Nationals Champion
doug118 Posted November 19, 2009 Report Posted November 19, 2009 couldn't you just take the 2x4's out and round the corners off? sort of making them into a huge dowel? lol 2001 Tahoe. Huge front stage and 55+ substage http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/196418-another-tahoe-build-huge-front-stage-and-155-substage/
Nightshade Posted November 19, 2009 Report Posted November 19, 2009 thanks for the tip Zacknot a fan of the rods but they are round which is a good aspect. What sort of issues are you referring to? Do you remember my 2 12" box that I had for the Nightshades when I first used the 4" ports for it? I had a 2X4 along the back of the box right in front of the ports. It was more than 4" away from the ports but I was given advice to take it out and did. I gained .6db's by taking the 2X4 out of the way and nothing else. I just think that it was disrupting airflow and I for see the same thing happening in this box. I would meter it first and then take them out so you officially know which is louder. 2013 VW Jetta GLI 2.0 Turbo 1 Sundown Audio SCV2000 1 Sundown Audio X15 V2 1 XS Power D3100 Audio Control LC6i Stock Deck 146.4 sealed on the dash at 37hz 2001 Focus ZX3: RETIRED Team Sundown Audio, Team XS Power, 2 time NSPL Car 3601-Up Champion, 2 time NSPL Car Hardcore ChampionHighest NSPL Scores to date:154.3db on the dash sealed at 46hz, 156.2db in the kick at 46hz155.2db unofficial on dash at 43hz
s-saudio Posted November 19, 2009 Author Report Posted November 19, 2009 Do you remember my 2 12" box that I had for the Nightshades when I first used the 4" ports for it? I had a 2X4 along the back of the box right in front of the ports. It was more than 4" away from the ports but I was given advice to take it out and did. I gained .6db's by taking the 2X4 out of the way and nothing else. I just think that it was disrupting airflow and I for see the same thing happening in this box. I would meter it first and then take them out so you officially know which is louder. .6 is a huge gain for the removal of a 2x4 My original plan is to lay the 2x4s against the plane I am bracing sideways instead of up and down (strengthens without disturbing airflow as much) but this was Jays build and he wanted it this way. The physics of what your saying makes sense so I may convince him to do it my way. Caprice Wagon build 2010 Florida Spring Break Nationals MECA Drive By Winner 161DB on 15K @ 41hz Eclipse Build 155+ No Wall 2007 Steel Valley Regionals 3X 139.9 Winner 2008 SoundXtreme 3X 149.9 Winner 2008 Slamology 149.9 3X Winner 2008 149.9 Bass Race World Champion 2009 149.9 Florida Spring Break Nationals Champion
LoudBlazer Posted November 19, 2009 Report Posted November 19, 2009 .6 is a huge gain for the removal of a 2x4My original plan is to lay the 2x4s against the plane I am bracing sideways instead of up and down (strengthens without disturbing airflow as much) but this was Jays build and he wanted it this way. The physics of what your saying makes sense so I may convince him to do it my way. .6 gain from a removal of a 2x4! I think more ppl should pay attention to this and maybe use wood dowels or double and triple baffles! I should listen to this myself lol. 1997 2 Door Blazer Bagged & Body Dropped SBC/TH350
doug118 Posted November 19, 2009 Report Posted November 19, 2009 .6 gain from a removal of a 2x4! I think more ppl should pay attention to this and maybe use wood dowels or double and triple baffles! I should listen to this myself lol. everyone should pay more attention to what Nightshade posts. everything he says is helpful and he knows what he's doing. s-audio could make a picture book of the installs he's done and it would be a top seller lol 2001 Tahoe. Huge front stage and 55+ substage http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/196418-another-tahoe-build-huge-front-stage-and-155-substage/
uhoh_45 Posted November 19, 2009 Report Posted November 19, 2009 Do you remember my 2 12" box that I had for the Nightshades when I first used the 4" ports for it? I had a 2X4 along the back of the box right in front of the ports. It was more than 4" away from the ports but I was given advice to take it out and did. I gained .6db's by taking the 2X4 out of the way and nothing else. I just think that it was disrupting airflow and I for see the same thing happening in this box. I would meter it first and then take them out so you officially know which is louder. 2x4s also take up more room so maybe thats why you gained you gained some volume ? or a mixture of both R.I.P! (Nov-29-2009) 92 explorer - 4 Atomic Apxx 15s duel .7s - 4rth order bandpass wall -4 powerbass XA-3000D's - 16 8volt batts wired to 16 volts - (9+/9-) runs 0gauge - 152.3 Db @ 29hz BUILD LOG current build 97 chevy lumina4 - 1 Atomic Apx 18 - 6 cube slot port trunk sealed off - 1 powerbass XA-3000D - 2 optima G31s in spare tire18 1 run 1/0 lumina build log
s-saudio Posted November 19, 2009 Author Report Posted November 19, 2009 .6 gain from a removal of a 2x4! I think more ppl should pay attention to this and maybe use wood dowels or double and triple baffles! I should listen to this myself lol. Never seen any gain with anything more then single layer baffles in no wall builds and neither has Jacob Fuller with his Jeep. A thick baffle helps with loading and is ideal for a wall since the port is on top of the dash. In a no wall build since you are loading off the back of the vehicle most of the time it usually yields no gain. I am speaking in terms of if the box is braced well with single layer otherwise any gain seen is the lack of enforcement in the baffle alone. Caprice Wagon build 2010 Florida Spring Break Nationals MECA Drive By Winner 161DB on 15K @ 41hz Eclipse Build 155+ No Wall 2007 Steel Valley Regionals 3X 139.9 Winner 2008 SoundXtreme 3X 149.9 Winner 2008 Slamology 149.9 3X Winner 2008 149.9 Bass Race World Champion 2009 149.9 Florida Spring Break Nationals Champion
LoudBlazer Posted November 19, 2009 Report Posted November 19, 2009 Never seen any gain with anything more then single layer baffles in no wall builds and neither has Jacob Fuller with his Jeep. A thick baffle helps with loading and is ideal for a wall since the port is on top of the dash. In a no wall build since you are loading off the back of the vehicle most of the time it usually yields no gain. I am speaking in terms of if the box is braced well with single layer otherwise any gain seen is the lack of enforcement in the baffle alone. You confused me lol. I just mean that if a wall is built solid an doesnt need internal bracing then air flow shouldnt be obstructed. Hence the 2x4 being removed and maybe causing better airflow and icnreased numbers? I dont see how removal of a 2x4 could make .6 gain by just adding volume/efficeny to the box. I may be wrong tho lol 1997 2 Door Blazer Bagged & Body Dropped SBC/TH350
s-saudio Posted November 19, 2009 Author Report Posted November 19, 2009 I was just making that point from what I have seen though none the less. If you get creative with bracing in single layer no wall builds you don't need anything more. That goes for all the tests I have done or seen. Caprice Wagon build 2010 Florida Spring Break Nationals MECA Drive By Winner 161DB on 15K @ 41hz Eclipse Build 155+ No Wall 2007 Steel Valley Regionals 3X 139.9 Winner 2008 SoundXtreme 3X 149.9 Winner 2008 Slamology 149.9 3X Winner 2008 149.9 Bass Race World Champion 2009 149.9 Florida Spring Break Nationals Champion
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