VS Threads...

[Cashdollar2009]

I'm probably going to be shut down real fast here, but whatever.

Yes, I am 110% on the same page when the "recent topics" sections blows up with "Kicker L5 vs DC Level 5" and "Sony Xplod vs Sundown" shit. I agree, I understand, those bug the Hell out of me. But, my point to this thread is, that I do in fact find certain VS threads helpful occasionally.

For example, I have seen a thread before in regards to someone deciding between a DC Level 4 and a Fi BL. The point of a VS thread here could be helpful as there is a big difference between a "stock" Fi BL, and a "fully loaded BL." Then, a lot of times people with have a Level 4 using Level 5 soft parts. Also, the Fi's have direct leads, which may be nice if you have had tinsel lead issues on the DC's and would feel more comfortable going in that direction. In each case, those could be the deciding factors that people may overlook, as dumb as it may seem...

Another example. I know this one has occurred but I thought it was rather informative, was the Sundown SAZ-3000D VS Crescendo 3KWP. I never knew they were in the same build house. (at least the first batch.) Amp guts were brought into the argument. People who really knew amplifiers chimed in. This helped me really make up my mind on my Crescendo as opposed to running multiple Hifonics amps or settling with a nice 1500-2K amp. (budget)

Another one, why should I go with an XS D3400 over a Kinetik HC2400? Legitimate facts, as well as opinions. I want to know why someone has chosen XS over Kinetik in a lot of cases? Can they find a better price? Is one more reliable than the other? What all Kinetiks have had swelling problems? Which would be better off of stock electrical?

Not everyone, (Hell, no one but a select few on here who generally give this answer) can afford to go out and buy both of the products that they are asking about and tell the world which one was built better, which one has the better warranty, which one lasted longer, which one was more convenient to work with. This is a car audio forum, where the majority of us have played with car audio equipment before, actually, most of the products we talk about on here today we have played with. There is no better answer than that of someone who has really used the equipment before, whether it be either or even both on the subs/amplifiers/batteries/etc. Vast e-knowledge on products come in a close second. Talking out your ass with FTW FTW FTW FTW FTW answers when asking about a certain equipment brand only helps on occasion...

Basically, I can understand locking a lot of the VS threads as they can get annoying, but possibly be a little more hesitant on the whole "We don't support your questions here, sorry for the inconvenience." I'm sure i'm not alone here. Nothing will probably ever be done in regards to my suggestions/rant but it's out there now. If anything, it was a nice vent session. Let me know your thoughts. Just trying to express mine in a nice way.

[hdorre]

I agree with EVERYTHING you said. If subs, amps, or batteries have close enough specs, then they should be kept open. If one product is obviously better than the other (Kicker CVR vs AA Havoc), it should be locked.

Recently in subwoofer comparison threads, people have been naming power (amps), enclosure size, tuning, and goal. Imo, if threads contain that and if subs are similar, they shouldn't be locked

[2000LaDe]

my mom vs your mom.

[LT.Smoke]

I'm probably going to be shut down real fast here, but whatever.

Yes, I am 110% on the same page when the "recent topics" sections blows up with "Kicker L5 vs DC Level 5" and "Sony Xplod vs Sundown" shit. I agree, I understand, those bug the Hell out of me. But, my point to this thread is, that I do in fact find certain VS threads helpful occasionally.

For example, I have seen a thread before in regards to someone deciding between a DC Level 4 and a Fi BL. The point of a VS thread here could be helpful as there is a big difference between a "stock" Fi BL, and a "fully loaded BL." Then, a lot of times people with have a Level 4 using Level 5 soft parts. Also, the Fi's have direct leads, which may be nice if you have had tinsel lead issues on the DC's and would feel more comfortable going in that direction. In each case, those could be the deciding factors that people may overlook, as dumb as it may seem...

Another example. I know this one has occurred but I thought it was rather informative, was the Sundown SAZ-3000D VS Crescendo 3KWP. I never knew they were in the same build house. (at least the first batch.) Amp guts were brought into the argument. People who really knew amplifiers chimed in. This helped me really make up my mind on my Crescendo as opposed to running multiple Hifonics amps or settling with a nice 1500-2K amp. (budget)

Another one, why should I go with an XS D3400 over a Kinetik HC2400? Legitimate facts, as well as opinions. I want to know why someone has chosen XS over Kinetik in a lot of cases? Can they find a better price? Is one more reliable than the other? What all Kinetiks have had swelling problems? Which would be better off of stock electrical?

Not everyone, (Hell, no one but a select few on here who generally give this answer) can afford to go out and buy both of the products that they are asking about and tell the world which one was built better, which one has the better warranty, which one lasted longer, which one was more convenient to work with. This is a car audio forum, where the majority of us have played with car audio equipment before, actually, most of the products we talk about on here today we have played with. There is no better answer than that of someone who has really used the equipment before, whether it be either or even both on the subs/amplifiers/batteries/etc. Vast e-knowledge on products come in a close second. Talking out your ass with FTW FTW FTW FTW FTW answers when asking about a certain equipment brand only helps on occasion...

Basically, I can understand locking a lot of the VS threads as they can get annoying, but possibly be a little more hesitant on the whole "We don't support your questions here, sorry for the inconvenience." I'm sure i'm not alone here. Nothing will probably ever be done in regards to my suggestions/rant but it's out there now. If anything, it was a nice vent session. Let me know your thoughts. Just trying to express mine in a nice way.

We do it to keep the peace..You are totally justified in voicing your opinion so dont think im shutting you down

I agree with EVERYTHING you said. If subs, amps, or batteries have close enough specs, then they should be kept open. If one product is obviously better than the other (Kicker CVR vs AA Havoc), it should be locked.

Recently in subwoofer comparison threads, people have been naming power (amps), enclosure size, tuning, and goal. Imo, if threads contain that and if subs are similar, they shouldn't be locked

We do this to keep the peace because no matter what products are being compared someone will come in and turn the topic to a bitch fest so its just best not to let it even begin because then it causes more headache for us MODS

[2000LaDe]

my brother vs your brother. my brother will kick your brothers ass.

[Cashdollar2009]

my brother vs your brother. my brother will kick your brothers ass.

Point taken.

[DeepHittersMagazine]

my mom vs your mom.

lol

[CJ18]

I think there needs to be some type of rules or guidelines for VS threads. Something along the line of whoever starts the thread needs to state specifics about what he/she wants to know between the 2 products in question. Not just hey whats better AA or DC. Maybe a set of basic questions to go along with the Products to help get a fair opinion.

Example

I actually started this one but SMD vs LVL 5 and now a list of questions for the OP to answer

1) Budget

2) Vehicle

3) Amps--how much power you plan on running

4) Electrical--what electrical upgrades are in the vehicle now/how many extra batteries and what Alts are being run

4) Space available for box

Im sure there are many more questions that can be added but I think this would be a good start and would help get rid of brand nut hugging.

With specific info about the build from the start it would be much easier to stay on topic and get the OP much better info about the products they are asking about.

[Twistedchild420]

[Cashdollar2009]

I was just waiting for one of these. How appropriate it was you. lol