How To Properly Fuse Amps and Rear Batteries

[RXdriver11]

Maybe both of you could cut out all the internet bangin you have going on and just let people try both ways. And let them learn real world what will/can happen. I dont have a shit load of post or half a lifetime of builds either but i have seen my share of shit happen to make you say "i didnt think that would happen". Thats how i learned. Even 13yrs ago when i was taking mobil electronics classes i watched and made a lot of mistakes. I do this as a hobby and i research eveyrthing that i do. Even ask questions on here to try to get feedback from guys who have been doin it for a while, but at the end of the day will do what i feel comfortable with. If it fucks up then that is experience gained. Both of you should agree to disagree and keep doing what your experience has you comfortable with. Now kiss and make up guys..

[lunchbox.inc]

LOL @ this thread...

i've got to say, there is absolutely no need for a 2nd fuse on the same piece of cable that already has one up at the battery...

it's quite counter productive... if ISO cares to do so then it's only himself and his customers that are going to get the added cost, obviously it's not going to hurt, but there's absolutely no point to it, altho TDWM can be a dick, i haven't seen him give a single bit of wrong information, and in my eyes, is 100% correct in everything he's saying...

personally 139db & 16 years experience means nothing, just because someones been doing something for a long time doesn't mean they're doing it right... but again, doubling up on the fuses isn't going to hurt anyone... what DOES hurt people is cyber bullying... i can't see why you needed to get so violent towards the guy...? does it really make that much difference...?

[Superjay]

fuses will NOT protect an amplifier...even fuses ON the amp. they aren't fast enough to blow before a FET blows. the fuses are there to protect the car. in all cases they are there to prevent fire.

[dereileak]

I know you don't have 16 years worth of experience and I'm confident that you didn't have 2 pros that were highly experience from DB Drag racing training you. ([Jeff Sherrick and Eric Parsley] and Training I received from Auto Illusions of Newark,OH)

16 years of experience, and yet the maturity and intelligence of a 12 year old.

interesting.

still, I'm waiting for your explanation as to why you think an 80amp fuse at the amplifier provides more protection than an 80amp fuse at the battery.

Because you dumb son of a bitch if an amp has built in fusing with blade fuses is going to pop as soon as there is any kind of electrical short were you big ANL fuse up front takes at least 5 second before it will blow up.

So if the fuses in the amp blow first then you now do'n't have to worry about any damages happening to the 17 foot of main power wire.

I keep forgetting that you are just a kid that has never had your hand in high end proffesional installation and if you say some of the shit that you have said on this forum in a job interview. Then they will laugh at you and tell you that you just don't get it and we don't have a place for you.

Did you look up my Almost 3000 post yet.

Any how I don't know what the fuck is wrong with you but if you are in central Ohio I will be more then happy to meet up with you because I litterly want to physically beat the fuck out of you. Yes I'm very serious and I don't talk shit so lets meat up.

Dude you are a Joke.

id be right beside you helping ya!! at least this thread is interesting and helping people, I have 5 votes on it helping people out so far, this is good enough for me!!!! ISO lets not even waste out time with this guy, he is a total ass hole!!

[dereileak]

fuses will NOT protect an amplifier...even fuses ON the amp. they aren't fast enough to blow before a FET blows. the fuses are there to protect the car. in all cases they are there to prevent fire.

then why do they build them in, you know manufactures are cheap asses, they wouldnt build something that costs them extra money for no reason

[TheyDontWantMusic]

fuses will NOT protect an amplifier...even fuses ON the amp. they aren't fast enough to blow before a FET blows. the fuses are there to protect the car. in all cases they are there to prevent fire.

then why do they build them in, you know manufactures are cheap asses, they wouldnt build something that costs them extra money for no reason

so the amplifier doesn't catch fire?

we've already discussed this in this thread.

I was testing a faulty DD Z1, and had a mosfet explode, then catch on fire, I'm not even sure what part of a mosfet is flammable?!?!

[dereileak]

fuses will NOT protect an amplifier...even fuses ON the amp. they aren't fast enough to blow before a FET blows. the fuses are there to protect the car. in all cases they are there to prevent fire.

then why do they build them in, you know manufactures are cheap asses, they wouldnt build something that costs them extra money for no reason

so the amplifier doesn't catch fire?

we've already discussed this in this thread.

I was testing a faulty DD Z1, and had a mosfet explode, then catch on fire, I'm not even sure what part of a mosfet is flammable?!?!

almost anything with to much current will catch fire due to heat sadly

[dereileak]

I emailed kicker to get there response on this, goes as followed

"

-----Original Message-----

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of KICKER.com

Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 3:11 AM

To: Support

Subject: [Technical Support] Fusing By The Amp

Derek Miner sent a message using the contact form at

http://shop.kicker.com/contact .

Hello, I have a big Question, we are actually arguing about this issue over

in a forum. We want the technical answer of "Why do we need to put a second

fuse next to the amp". It is suggested if the amp doesnt have internal fusing

that we put a second fuse next to the amp. The situation is a single amp

fused by the battery with a wire running to the amp then being fused by the

amp and then going back into the amp. The forum we are at is

"http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/98509-how-to-properly-fuse-of-amps-and-rear-batteries/page__st__60"

we just want an answer, and a more technical answer would be nice, as we

really want a good explanation of why. It is believed by some member that the

front fuse, if fused at the same amperage as the amp will protect the the

amp. Thanks, Derek!

RESPONSE:

Derek, the fuse at the amplifier will blow faster if there is a problem with the amp. If you have any further questions let me know. Have a great day.

Brett Nicely

Product Specialist

[email protected]

405.624.8510 ext.7527

"

[ISO]

Thank you Derek this does go to show my real world experience has paid off from the experiences I was trying to explain in parts of this thread where amps have tried to blow up and the built in fuse or inline fuse has stopped the short from going any farther in the circuit than the input of the amp.

Now Damage control;

I have NEVER gotten this angry at a person on this forum before and was acting like a child.

I do owe everyone here a big apology for my behavior.

I takes alot to push my buttons and I let this guy get to me. I'm shocked at myself and will do my best not to let this happen again.

I'm proud to be part of SMD and I want SMD to be proud that I'am here (my home forum) to help new comers.

EDIT: You guys don't think a 139 db with one 10 inch L7 and a 500 watt amp in a car that was not designed for SPL isn't any good. BTW this was in 2003.

[onebadmonte]

I emailed kicker to get there response on this, goes as followed

"

-----Original Message-----

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of KICKER.com

Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 3:11 AM

To: Support

Subject: [Technical Support] Fusing By The Amp

Derek Miner sent a message using the contact form at

http://shop.kicker.com/contact .

Hello, I have a big Question, we are actually arguing about this issue over

in a forum. We want the technical answer of "Why do we need to put a second

fuse next to the amp". It is suggested if the amp doesnt have internal fusing

that we put a second fuse next to the amp. The situation is a single amp

fused by the battery with a wire running to the amp then being fused by the

amp and then going back into the amp. The forum we are at is

"http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/98509-how-to-properly-fuse-of-amps-and-rear-batteries/page__st__60"

we just want an answer, and a more technical answer would be nice, as we

really want a good explanation of why. It is believed by some member that the

front fuse, if fused at the same amperage as the amp will protect the the

amp. Thanks, Derek!

RESPONSE:

Derek, the fuse at the amplifier will blow faster if there is a problem with the amp. If you have any further questions let me know. Have a great day.

Brett Nicely

Product Specialist

[email protected]

405.624.8510 ext.7527

"

LOL! The manual to my Kicker Warhorse amplifier mentions nothing about putting a fuse by the amplifier. The manual explicitly show fuses no more than 18" from the alts. Wires to the battery bank have fuses within 18" of getting to the battery bank and fuses within 18" of leaving the battery bank to the amplifier. The manual did not show fuses at the amp, and that's knowing the amp has no fuses. I wonder?

Maybe since you asked, Kicker decided to play it safe regardless.