Bump4life Posted July 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 What makes this configuration self balance ? vs this configuration? in the top bank of one of the ones i did, the capacoitors are hooked up in parallel first, then series. where as in the second pic with black caps, the caps are series first then parallel. in any electrical config, a series connection allows for a voltage in balance. where as paralled connections will have same voltage. think about how you connect batteries. you parallel them so you have the same voltage. Buyer/Seller Feedback Thread: http://www.stevemead...5015-bump4life/ MB C220 153 Trunk Car Build Log: http://www.stevemead...d/#entry1840136 MB C280 Ipad Dash SQ Build Log: http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/194484-bump4lifes-new-benz-tony-c-relay-kit-pictures-ce-electric-audison-front-stage-installed/ My SPL Log: http://www.stevemead...__fromsearch__1 BMW M340 xDrive Stock, for now. Corner Load 10" maybe soon. But does 10s in the 1/4... Best Scores out of a trunk 153.0 sealed legal full tilt clamped 5524 @ 42 hz 154+ windows down, 155+ kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMI CUSTOMS Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 So if I hook a 12.3 volt battery in parallel with a 13.1 volt battery and resulting voltage is now 12.7 you are gonna say the 12.3 volt battery has no bearing on the overall capacity LOL TEAM SOUNDQUBED -- TEAM SOUTH TEAM S.O.B. - Founder & Captain 3x Streetbeat World Record Holder 2017 MWSPL 1st place Mayhem & 4th Xtreme 4 2016 MWSPL 1st place Mayhem/2nd Adv 4/2nd Xtreme 4 2015 MWSPL 2nd place Mayhem & 4th Xtreme 4 2014 USACI 2nd place Streetbeat 5 - 162.6 db 2014 MWSPL 2nd place Xtreme 4 - 144.9 db 2013 USACI 1st place Streetbeat 4 - 161.9 db 2013 USACI 1st place Street Q+ - 162.8 db 2013 MWSPL 3rd Kaos2 & 4th Xtreme 4 2011 USACI 2nd place MOD 1001-2k - 160.0 db 2011 MWSPL 4th place: Adv3 - 157.8 db, Kaos2 - 150s db, Xtreme4 - 140s db 2010 ARSPL 1st place 501-750 - 160.3 db Arkansas loudest Best score to date 164.4 db - Termlab Outlaw Streetbeat 4 - 161.9 db Streetbeat 5 - 162.6 db MWSPL on Dash Legal door open (Music) - 162.5 db Sealed on dash Legal (Music) - 161.1 db - Termlab THE BLACK NASTY CURRENT BUILD & FAB The Black Nasty (6) 15 Rebuild Log 2012 (4) 15 Walled Sierra Build Log Evo X build log Facebook page The Black Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMI CUSTOMS Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 That config is NOT self balancing, unhook all the caps and check voltage on them after you do a 1000 amp pull on the bank TEAM SOUNDQUBED -- TEAM SOUTH TEAM S.O.B. - Founder & Captain 3x Streetbeat World Record Holder 2017 MWSPL 1st place Mayhem & 4th Xtreme 4 2016 MWSPL 1st place Mayhem/2nd Adv 4/2nd Xtreme 4 2015 MWSPL 2nd place Mayhem & 4th Xtreme 4 2014 USACI 2nd place Streetbeat 5 - 162.6 db 2014 MWSPL 2nd place Xtreme 4 - 144.9 db 2013 USACI 1st place Streetbeat 4 - 161.9 db 2013 USACI 1st place Street Q+ - 162.8 db 2013 MWSPL 3rd Kaos2 & 4th Xtreme 4 2011 USACI 2nd place MOD 1001-2k - 160.0 db 2011 MWSPL 4th place: Adv3 - 157.8 db, Kaos2 - 150s db, Xtreme4 - 140s db 2010 ARSPL 1st place 501-750 - 160.3 db Arkansas loudest Best score to date 164.4 db - Termlab Outlaw Streetbeat 4 - 161.9 db Streetbeat 5 - 162.6 db MWSPL on Dash Legal door open (Music) - 162.5 db Sealed on dash Legal (Music) - 161.1 db - Termlab THE BLACK NASTY CURRENT BUILD & FAB The Black Nasty (6) 15 Rebuild Log 2012 (4) 15 Walled Sierra Build Log Evo X build log Facebook page The Black Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMI CUSTOMS Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Just to clarify, the caps that are parallel are balanced with each other cuz same voltage, but between each series they can't be, nothing is balancing them so each parallel row of caps is running an different voltages that is what I am getting at. And like I said before for you since you aren't running at rated voltage doesn't matter much cuz you aren't using the full potential of the bank anyway, running DD can't go over 15.5 lol. TEAM SOUNDQUBED -- TEAM SOUTH TEAM S.O.B. - Founder & Captain 3x Streetbeat World Record Holder 2017 MWSPL 1st place Mayhem & 4th Xtreme 4 2016 MWSPL 1st place Mayhem/2nd Adv 4/2nd Xtreme 4 2015 MWSPL 2nd place Mayhem & 4th Xtreme 4 2014 USACI 2nd place Streetbeat 5 - 162.6 db 2014 MWSPL 2nd place Xtreme 4 - 144.9 db 2013 USACI 1st place Streetbeat 4 - 161.9 db 2013 USACI 1st place Street Q+ - 162.8 db 2013 MWSPL 3rd Kaos2 & 4th Xtreme 4 2011 USACI 2nd place MOD 1001-2k - 160.0 db 2011 MWSPL 4th place: Adv3 - 157.8 db, Kaos2 - 150s db, Xtreme4 - 140s db 2010 ARSPL 1st place 501-750 - 160.3 db Arkansas loudest Best score to date 164.4 db - Termlab Outlaw Streetbeat 4 - 161.9 db Streetbeat 5 - 162.6 db MWSPL on Dash Legal door open (Music) - 162.5 db Sealed on dash Legal (Music) - 161.1 db - Termlab THE BLACK NASTY CURRENT BUILD & FAB The Black Nasty (6) 15 Rebuild Log 2012 (4) 15 Walled Sierra Build Log Evo X build log Facebook page The Black Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bump4life Posted July 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Just to clarify, the caps that are parallel are balanced with each other cuz same voltage, but between each series they can't be, nothing is balancing them so each parallel row of caps is running an different voltages that is what I am getting at. And like I said before for you since you aren't running at rated voltage doesn't matter much cuz you aren't using the full potential of the bank anyway, running DD can't go over 15.5 lol. what i am doing is playing the odds. i lay all my caps out and randomly choose 8 caps. since they are all within 20% tolerance i am betting that 8 caps create a bank that is near thier rating assuming 4 will be over tolerance and 4 will be under tolerance. thus if we get near rated caps, the series connections will be limited to a very small difference thus in a sense self balancing via parallel banks and trying to get near <1% tolerance in the parallel banks so when i series them there isnt much difference. if you watch my videos i successfully burped all my dd amps from 15.7 volts. im not really sure where they shut off at lol. either way, after thinking about it, i guess in parallel they would be not to full capacity but i am playing the odds so at most they would be 10% of their max which is still plenty. Buyer/Seller Feedback Thread: http://www.stevemead...5015-bump4life/ MB C220 153 Trunk Car Build Log: http://www.stevemead...d/#entry1840136 MB C280 Ipad Dash SQ Build Log: http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/194484-bump4lifes-new-benz-tony-c-relay-kit-pictures-ce-electric-audison-front-stage-installed/ My SPL Log: http://www.stevemead...__fromsearch__1 BMW M340 xDrive Stock, for now. Corner Load 10" maybe soon. But does 10s in the 1/4... Best Scores out of a trunk 153.0 sealed legal full tilt clamped 5524 @ 42 hz 154+ windows down, 155+ kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordlordboy1234 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 The battle of the electrical guys is about to happen. All we need is the two Tony's to join with snow and you two then we will have a party. My old YouTube channel : http://www.youtube.com/user/SwordLords1234?feature=mhee My old build log : http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/161872-96-accord-b2-sundown-sky-high-dc-power-re-re-build-for-heatwave/page-37 My New Build - http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/207041-2016-mazda-6-sql-build/ 2016 Mazda 6 Touring JL Fix 86 - OEM signal correction B2 prototype DSP 6to8 B2 Ref63 - 3 way active set 2 B2 Class H quattro's 1 B2 Zero.5R @.5 2 B2 HNv3 12 d2 B2 SLIP40 - Lithium in the trunk Northstar Group 35 under the hood 100ft 2/0 welding cable 30ft 4ga welding cable 20ft 8ga welding cable All stinger OFC speaker wire Soundrive custom RCA's Tons of attention to detail.... Can it be perfect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlamminBeats Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 put it this way caps > batteries LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalilac619 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 put it this way caps > batteries LOL To an extent...I'd still run a battery or 2....last thing you want is to be at a show 100 miles away and have your alt crap out and then try driving home on just caps. 2000 Suburban 6 runs of 2/0 12 timpano audio mids,6 timpana audio tweets and 1 timpano compression horn per door 8 banks of blue Maxwells + 260ah of Yin Long LTOs 2 370 Amp Autotech Alts mids amps 2 Crescendo Skyway 3ks Tweet amp Crossfire 2000.4 sub amp: 4 Crossfire XT 8ks Subs: 8 18 in Crossfires in a 4th order Best Scores at events… 161.6@38hz DBdrag sealed on the dash… 162.54 outlaw…161.14 Meca headrest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDrifter Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 So if I hook a 12.3 volt battery in parallel with a 13.1 volt battery and resulting voltage is now 12.7 you are gonna say the 12.3 volt battery has no bearing on the overall capacity LOL But that's the issue. Batteries rely on a chemical reaction to produce current. If that chemical reaction is depleted or in one form or another interrupted, your current flow stops as well. Capacitors rely on a difference of electrons. They will produce current regardless of their resting voltage. You're comparing two things that really can't be in any way compared ~~~~~~~~SAY NO TO PHOTOBUCKET~~~~~~~~ Snow's DD-1 tracks here: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/167433-snows-dd-1-tracks/ My take on OFC vs CCA: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/110381-things-that-piss-you-off-in-the-car-audio-world/?do=findComment&comment=2461444 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDrifter Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 That config is NOT self balancing, unhook all the caps and check voltage on them after you do a 1000 amp pull on the bank You're misunderstanding what I meant. Each capacitor in the row, due to how they are bussed together, will be self balancing with it's neighbor, because they are all wired in parallel. The wiring is such that you only need to worry about balancing 6 rows of caps, vs 48 of them individually ~~~~~~~~SAY NO TO PHOTOBUCKET~~~~~~~~ Snow's DD-1 tracks here: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/167433-snows-dd-1-tracks/ My take on OFC vs CCA: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/110381-things-that-piss-you-off-in-the-car-audio-world/?do=findComment&comment=2461444 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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