IH8PunkRok Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Was listening to Tool's "Rosetta Stoned" and a lyric got me thinking. The lyric goes "You are the Chosen One, the One who will deliver the message. A message of hope for those who choose to hear it and a warning for those who do not." Now it made me start thinking about how I would feel under those circumstances. Not being the chosen one, but rather one of those who hears the message. I imagine the message would say something close to "Do all that I say or die." At that point I began to ask myself, is that really a choice? I want you guys to tell me your thoughts on this. Someone tells you "your choice, do everything I say or I kill you" at this point do you still have free will? I imagine there will be two sides to the argument 1. Yes you have free will because you can choose to die and not live in a world you wouldn't want to. OR 2. No you do not have free will because neither choice would be one you make outside of the given situation. The choice is irrelevant because it is merely a lesser of two evils, both are probably something you would never willingly choose. Debate. I am interested to see thoughts on this -Matt2005 Dodge Magnum RTJVC KD-AVX1 2 PPI S580.2 Obsidian Audio ST1 Horn Tweeters PRV 8MB450s Audio Legion 3500.1D 2 RE MT 18s 360 ah LiFePO4 BatterySHCA 2/0 155.2 @ 29 hzKicker CVR 15's buildDD 3512e buildMini T-Line Build(6) 8s BuildNightshade 15s Wall BuildMagnum AB XFL 12s BuildNewest Magnum Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP95 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Yes, I have a choice. Kill the guy trying to kill me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasta Prime Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I feel that is not free will at all. When the only choices given to you are not your own, then that is not free will. New build coming........ YouTube:http://www.youtube.c...6?feature=guide Old Build Log: http://www.stevemead...d-on-the-cheap/ Old Screen name: Redrebel66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDrifter Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 No, it's not free will. "Do what I say or die" - living under someone who will impose their will under threat of death is not free will However... That doesn't mean that living in a society with rules, regulations, and punishments is not freedom. IDEALLY those laws would be made made to protect people and allow a reasonable means of enforcing them. Different than living in a dictatorship scenario and threat of death as described above. ~~~~~~~~SAY NO TO PHOTOBUCKET~~~~~~~~ Snow's DD-1 tracks here: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/167433-snows-dd-1-tracks/ My take on OFC vs CCA: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/110381-things-that-piss-you-off-in-the-car-audio-world/?do=findComment&comment=2461444 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hispls Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 If you don't have principals and values for which you would willingly lay down your life you are already dead and your life is of no use or consequence to anyone. /THREAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finkster Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 The song is about him being on acid. I understand you are only going over one line of the song but the point is that he was supposed to deliver a message but he forgot a pen. That said, the line you are referring to may not be so much a threat of violence but a message that we may be destroying ourselves and they are trying to help. DAT 4125------>RE XXX comps active Eclipse cd7000 I serve drunks for a living Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finkster Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 PS Tool lyrics are often interwoven with different meaning and are generally regarded as pretty complex. If it weren't for the internet, most of us would never have discovered the prevailing use of the Fibonacci sequence in Lateralus. DAT 4125------>RE XXX comps active Eclipse cd7000 I serve drunks for a living Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8PunkRok Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 The song is about him being on acid. I understand you are only going over one line of the song but the point is that he was supposed to deliver a message but he forgot a pen. That said, the line you are referring to may not be so much a threat of violence but a message that we may be destroying ourselves and they are trying to help. That second part I find really interesting. As ever it is all a matter of perspective. Take an addict for example. They are destroying themselves but they enjoy it. So something like an intervention would be seen as an imposition of their values upon the addicted. At what point does the line between control and aid exist? -Matt2005 Dodge Magnum RTJVC KD-AVX1 2 PPI S580.2 Obsidian Audio ST1 Horn Tweeters PRV 8MB450s Audio Legion 3500.1D 2 RE MT 18s 360 ah LiFePO4 BatterySHCA 2/0 155.2 @ 29 hzKicker CVR 15's buildDD 3512e buildMini T-Line Build(6) 8s BuildNightshade 15s Wall BuildMagnum AB XFL 12s BuildNewest Magnum Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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