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Anybody experience an engine idle fluctuation when using supercaps?

When I connect a bank of 500F in my car, my idle will fluctuate a couple hundred RPMs every couple of seconds.

It's not a big deal other then being annoying while sitting at a red light.

When driving (higher RPMs), it goes away.

When I remove one of the leads to the caps, the issue goes away. So it is the caps that are inducing it somehow.

I've tried two banks with the same results.

I thought it was the balancing modules but both my banks do the same thing.

I'll remove the modules and try again to see if that helps, but they're fine on a test bench with a power supply.

With a current clamp, I saw about 20A flowing in and out of the caps while the idle was fluctuating...

Ideas?

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Like, as if your alt is being loaded down? I know that when i demo at idle, my RPMs drop about 100-150 RPMs

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Imagine tapping a heavy load to the cars electrical system every two seconds or so, repeatedly....

Like that .....

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Yep, two XP3000's and a small D375.

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My truck does it too always thought it was my regulators

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Try this: with car parked and engine idling, turn on headlights, then turn your heater fan to full blast. Did the idle smooth out, or is it still bouncing?

Good suggestion.

Turning on the rear defrost (or similar load) smooths out the fluctuation.

Interesting....

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Find it if your vehicle has something like Bypass Air Control, or Idle Air Control. These are basically little valves that increase the engine rpm a tad to compensate for the added electrical load. They can get gummed up over time and need to be cleaned it even replaced.

What your engine is doing is Idle Hunting it sounds like. It sees an increase in current draw to top the caps off so it raises the idle a hair, but then the caps fill and the demand disappears, causing the idle to drop again.

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