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car audio and elect mag reviewed it.

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I'm sorry, something just doesn't add up. Audio is AC, not DC. So how can applying DC to a speaker do anything other than fry the coils? Even if they were alternating the DC voltages, that would be a square wave, not a sine wave. Just seems like a bunch of marketing mumbo jumbo to make it seem like they came up with something that doesn't exist. OR as we say in regards to software, "Vaporware"

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^^^^Exactly, and what happens if you pop a coil, you think 200V of DC voltage going into the other coil is going to be a good thing? LOL Something is deff not right with this explanation.

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Here is the review by Car Audio and Electronics

We've been looking at compact amps the last week, so we thought it would be fun to take a look at the other side of car audio amplifiers. We're going to look at a few different mammoth amps over the next week or so, starting with this huge technological marvel from Kicker. —Ben Oh

Testing by Redrock Electronics

In my time working for manufacturers from 88 through 2000, I’ve had plenty of experience with competition SPL vehicles. Many of these were equipped with 10,000 watts or more of bone jarring, bowel flexing, take your breath away bass. For that much power, you needed multiple amplifiers, plenty of subwoofers and enough batteries to destroy the vehicle’s suspension. By eliminating one stage of the amplifier’s operation, the engineers at Kicker have delivered a single high-efficiency 10,000W amplifier to make your car go “Boom”.

Description of product

With dimensions of 35” x 17.75” x 3.75” and 66lbs, the Warhorse is a monster of an amplifier. On the other hand, it’s about the same size as amplifiers with much lower power output, say, around 3,000 watts. That raises the question (in my mind, anyway) whether it is efficient enough to actually make 10,000 watts. We’ll see…

Kicker has rated this beast at 10,000 Watts into a 2Ω mono load, 5,000 Watts into a 4Ω load. As far as the class, it is not D, AB, or anything else you might be familiar with. In fact, the operation of this amplifier is so unique that Kicker has applied for a patent to cover it. I’ll do my best to explain all that later, but in the meantime, you should study up on class D operation and pulse width modulation as a reference point.

The amp has the usual features you would expect to find in a big subwoofer amp, like 24dB/octave high and low pass crossovers, 18dB of 40Hz bass boost and the absence of fuses. In addition, the Warhorse sports three 1/0 power and three 1/0 ground cable connectors, and two pair of 8awg Anderson connectors for the speaker outputs. No, it’s not a stereo amplifier, strictly mono. I’ll get to it.

There are eight indicator lights on the control panel, offering insight into several conditions. PWR indicates amplifier on and working properly, NET shows that you are connected to an optional remote controller, the WXRC, which offers expanded crossover slope selections in addition to being able to make adjustments from the driver’s seat. There are also over- and under- voltage, over-heated and short-circuit indicators. The X-BNDW light tells you that you have set the low-pass crossover lower than the high-pass crossover, and the SERVICE light lets you know that you probably need to get the amplifier back to the Kicker service department. At least call the tech support line, anyway.

In appearance, the unit looks like an oversized black briefcase with extruded fins running the length of each side. The top is an engraved black aluminum plate with a molded cap over the entry for the power cables. The cast endcaps house the cooling fans and lend a very structural look to the whole unit. The power and ground cables, all six 1/0 cables, come into the amplifier almost in the center of the top plate. All other connections and controls hidden halfway along the nearside heatsink under a matched cover plate.

Circuitry

Looking under the cover, the first thing you'll notice is the four planar transformers and the huge buss bars that run across the topside of the main circuit board. The transformers are about the size of your hand and resemble a stack of pancakes. The primary and secondary windings are stacked on top of each other rather than being several strands of wire intertwined. The turn ratio is 19 to 1, meaning there are literally 19 turns of flat wound copper for each secondary and one turn for each primary. The primary looks more like a big horseshoe-shaped PCB trace. Each planar transformer is rated at 5,000 watts for a total capacity of 20,000 watts.

The positive and negative power cables feed the transformers directly by way of the plated copper buss bars. The B+ power supply is stabilized by a total of 50 3,300F/105 C capacitors. That makes for a lot of instant juice on tap.

Kicker WX10000.1 Warhorse - Review Amplifier 1

The entire backside of the heat sink is occupied by 64 MOSFETs, 16 for each of the four transformers. Normally, I'd call these devices "switcher" to drive the transformers and create the positive and negative rails, but this is where we deviate substantially from every other amp. These MOSFETs do actually drive the transformers, but not at a steady rate to create a "reservoir" of output power. They actually drive the transformers directly to the speaker outputs in a pulse-width modulation fashion. This effectively eliminates the section of the amp that would normally be called the "output" section, and also eliminates the efficiency losses associated with output sections, whatever class they may be.

Let's look at the input section. The analog music signal from your head unit enters the amp by way of a pair of gold-plated RCA connectors, and goes pretty much straight to a Texas instruments DSP chip. There's plenty of support circuitry around the DSP. In fact, the input board is about 6 inches by 8 inches, but all of the processing goes on inside the chip. The gain, crossover, bass boost, and limiter controls are all single element potentiometers that feed reference signals to the DSP chip. In other words, they have no direct effect on the analog signal; they just tell the processor what you want it to do. Once the analog signal enters the DSP, there's no more analog signal until you get to the output filter at the speaker outputs. Because the crossovers and bass boost are handled in the digital domain, the curves are picture perfect and very precise.

Kicker WX10000.1 Warhorse - Review Amplifier 1

Here's where things get even stranger. In a typical amp you have an input stage, a power supply stage, and an output stage where the first two stages work together to kick out the tunes. The power supply runs at a constant rate, creating a "reservoir" of power (called "rails") that's fed to the speakers through the output transistors as the input section commands. In the Warhorse, there's an input stage as usual, but the output and power supply stages are combined. Instead of creating a reservoir of power for the output stage to use, the DSP causes the power supply to actually create the output signal directly. Instead of running at a constant level, the power supplies are constantly going up and down (signal modulated) in response to the DSP to create the output voltage. There are no output transistors.

Kicker WX10000.1 Warhorse - Review Amplifier 1

That's the conceptual picture, pretty much devoid of the details. At this point you may be thinking, "That's too easy" or "Why hasn't this been done before?" While the concept is easy, the execution requires a fairly powerful DSP, as well as a fairly powerful brain trust to program the DSP. On this scale (remember this amp puts out 10,000 watts), it also requires the planar transformers with specific coupling and power characteristics.

The DSP is in complete control of the transformers, running a constant pulse of 24kHz. That doesn't mean the transformers are creating a large 24kHz output signal, but that's the clock speed for the pulse-width modulation. When a signal comes into the DSP, it sends off/on pulses to the transformer switchers of the appropriate duration to create both the frequency and the amplitude of the output. In a pulse width modulation format, the length of the pulse will correspond to the output voltage level, and in this amp the length of the pulses will be limited to 1/24,000 of a second. A maximum pulse (100 percent) will result in maximum power output, while a half-length pulse (50 percent) results in half power. At idle, there's zero current going through the transformers, but it's still happening at 24kHz.

This is where the amp is like a Class D amp. If the transformer is completely accurate (not possible, by the way) the output will consist of really large squared waves. In reality, the transformer will round these square pulses considerably, plus there's an output filter consisting of a coil and capacitor(s) to finish converting the squared pulses to nice round sine waves. The output filter coils in the Warhorse actually look just like large transformers that would be used in the power supply of a big Class AB amp.

So you now have output signal to feed your speakers, and it should resemble the analog input signal that came into the DSP to start with. The DSP takes feedback from the speaker outputs and makes real-time adjustments to the pulses to create a more accurate reproduction of the original signal, only lots bigger.

There are two separate sets of speaker outputs on the Warhorse, but they're not parallel. You have to use both of them and you have to use them on a dual voice coil speaker, one output to each coil of the speaker. One set handles the positive side of the wave and the other handles the negative side. The + and - labels on the amp correspond to the labels on the speaker's voice coil terminals. At full power this amp is making around 141 volts between 20Hz and 200Hz. Household AC is 120 volts at 60Hz. If you fed the amp with a 60Hz signal, you could probably use it as a backup generator for your house, so don't mess around with the speaker outputs when this amp is on!

Performance

The amp tested as advertised in all respects. The frequency response is exactly 20Hz to 200Hz at the -3dB points, though we used +0/-1dB for the test results. The crossovers and bass boost are exact as well, which is a direct result of the signal being handled in the digital domain by the DSP chip. Power at 14.4-volt input exceeded 10 kilowatts by 350 watts-the equivalent of a decent subwoofer amp. While 10,000 watts is pretty impressive, the fact that the WX10000.1 can deliver it with almost 90 percent efficiency is amazing. Class AB amps hover around 50 percent, so this amp can deliver almost twice the output power for any given power input. You can feed two of these amps for the price of one.

There was no indication on the scope of any turn-on or turn-off noise. Who needs a 10,000-watt turn-on pop?

Slew rate and damping factor have been omitted from this test due to the way the amp works and the importance of such specs for an amp of this size. Testing was complicated by the fact that the DSP is instantly responding to the output feedback. The compensation by the DSP resulted in a negative ratio for the damping factor. The precision of the DSP also resulted in a very low slew rate at the output, which corresponded very closely to the actual slope of a wave at 200Hz. In other words, we were only able to measure what the DSP was causing the amp to do, rather than what it might be capable of.

Manual

The owner's manual is a pretty comprehensive affair. In fact, I suggest you read the manual before purchasing the amp, just to make sure you're equal to the commitment. The manual is where you learn about having to build an electrical substation to feed the beast. Yes, I'm exaggerating but seriously, Kicker recommends no less than eight batteries of 800cca plus two alternators putting out 200 amps each. That's in addition to the battery and alternator just to run the vehicle. As well, you have to run ought-gauge cable everywhere to boot.

Besides the electrical requirements, and the structural mounting bracket, the manual shows several wiring configurations, and explains the controls clearly. The warranty is three months (consumer installed) or two years when installed by an authorized dealer.

Conclusion

Kicker has managed to break new ground here, and do it in a big way. The Warhorse is expensive, but it's intended for use in decibel machines and show systems. The retail dollars-to-watts ratio is a pretty high 97 cents, but using this amp will reduce the overall cost of batteries and alternators due to its high efficiency. Check out the Kicker Warhorse van making appearances around the country if you want to experience what this kind of power is all about. —Bob Norvelle

Test Results

Output power @ 1% THD, 50Hz, 14.4 volts

Mono @ 4 ohms 1 x 5,494 watts

Mono @ 2 ohms 1 x 10,350 watts

Output power @ 1% THD, 50Hz, 12.5 volts

Mono @ 4 ohms 1 x 4,050 watts

Mono @ 2 ohms 1 x 8,052 watts

Distortion at rated power, 50Hz, 14.4 volts 0.66% @ 2 ohms

Input sensitivity 165mV to 5.2 volts

Frequency response (+1dB) 25Hz - 170Hz

S/N ratio (A weighted, below clipping, min. gain) >82dB

Idle current 3.5 amps

Maximum current consumption, unclipped 801 amps @

10,350 watts

Efficiency at one-third power, lowest impedance 88%

Efficiency at full power, 1%THD, lowest impedance 89.7%

Crossover slope 24dB/octave

Crossover range, lowpass 50Hz - 200Hz

Crossover range, highpass 20Hz - 60Hz

Low-frequency boost +18dB @ 40Hz

Dimensions 35"L x 17.75"W x 3.75"H

Weight 66.8 pounds

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cap and a coil will and does filter off the "squared" edges of a signal.

Im sure you guys dont fully understand quantam physics.. (good, neither do I).

That doesnt mean its not possible.

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what ray said. AC and DC become "the same" when you do what kicker has done.

Would be nice if kicker made some smaller amps based on the warhorse tech.

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I like the part of the article that slams the T15k (doesnt name it, just states it is a "high power RF amp" and that its only good for burps and not music. Gee...guess someone should tell Steve those amps dont play music? Hah!

Its an interesting read for sure, just seems VERY biased. Id like to read an unbiased review of the amp and its technology.

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Ok, after reading the 2nd article posted by CJ, it makes sense now.

Instead of running at a constant level, the power supplies are constantly going up and down (signal modulated) in response to the DSP to create the output voltage.

It is not producing DC at the outputs, the powersupply itself is producing the output signal instead of the output section. I'd like to see how they get the voltage up that high while modulating it, thats pretty cool. In a traditional Class D Amp, the power supply just drives up the voltage (for the rails) then the output section takes that and modulates it for the output signal.

Stevil, DC is not and can not be the same as AC. You can make AC from DC by modulating the output as you see done here, and you can create AC from DC by using a rectifier. Kicker is not rewriting the laws of physics.

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Ok, after reading the 2nd article posted by CJ, it makes sense now.

Instead of running at a constant level, the power supplies are constantly going up and down (signal modulated) in response to the DSP to create the output voltage.

It is not producing DC at the outputs, the powersupply itself is producing the output signal instead of the output section. I'd like to see how they get the voltage up that high while modulating it, thats pretty cool. In a traditional Class D Amp, the power supply just drives up the voltage (for the rails) then the output section takes that and modulates it for the output signal.

Stevil, DC is not and can not be the same as AC. You can make AC from DC by modulating the output as you see done here, and you can create AC from DC by using a rectifier. Kicker is not rewriting the laws of physics.

The power transformer is what get the voltage up, it has a 19 to 1 turns ratio.

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2016 MWSPL 1st place Mayhem/2nd Adv 4/2nd Xtreme 4
2015 MWSPL 2nd place Mayhem & 4th Xtreme 4
2014 USACI 2nd place Streetbeat 5 - 162.6 db
2014 MWSPL 2nd place Xtreme 4 - 144.9 db
2013 USACI 1st place Streetbeat 4 - 161.9 db
2013 USACI 1st place Street Q+ - 162.8 db
2013 MWSPL 3rd Kaos2 & 4th Xtreme 4
2011 USACI 2nd place MOD 1001-2k - 160.0 db
2011 MWSPL 4th place: Adv3 - 157.8 db, Kaos2 - 150s db, Xtreme4 - 140s db
2010 ARSPL 1st place 501-750 - 160.3 db Arkansas loudest

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Streetbeat 4 - 161.9 db

Streetbeat 5 - 162.6 db

MWSPL on Dash Legal door open (Music) - 162.5 db

Sealed on dash Legal (Music) - 161.1 db - Termlab

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