let's see what u guy can come up with Average

[nCOMP1337]

lol, nice derrick

i personally like ot believe the instal makes a lot of difference, my only problem with lower end equipment is when people think they cant get better stuff.when a quickl google chekc c na prove otherwise

plus that lanzar even though not a major brand people go for, looks to be pretty solid, i dunno how it will handle the 3k rms, but thats less likely the lanzar subs be call crap, lol

audiopipe is more commonly refe3rred to as a good budget amp, ive seen most say it doesn't put out rated but it does put out very good for the price, but ive no experience with it

but it isnt an amp id throw in the low end crap section

but id be interested in seeing people proven wrong with good installs

[Team_DC-Derrick]

Yeah, I agree 2, but there is WAY to many people on this forum who think budget stuff is 500+

so im going to do a big budget build... with what alot of the nuthuggers call *crap* equipment...

TL results and hairtricks will follow once its built

[nCOMP1337]

sound good

my first budget build was under 500 with decent equipment, but i know exactly what your saying

[osamio]

at the moment, i do not have my equipment listed out, but the list i have made up, equals roughly 2200 minus the front stage cause im happy with what i have for now there

however my first decent setup, was 2 kicker cvr 15s (150 with box), rf prime 500 (100), 4 gauge rf wire (120, got raped on that), head unit was given to me, and 50 bucks for component infinity set front and back

so roughly 500 bucks after various little costs, and even though im not big on mainstream, none of the equipment is really low grade, i cant stand it when people say they want a budget system and go to walmart to find one, then swear its the best thing since sliced bread

Just because Walmart is an authorized pioneer dealer, doesn't mean it's not pioneer. And PLEASE do not try to tell me pioneer is low quality.

im not saying its low quality, but the stuff at walmart is not as good quality as it could be, plus its entry level lower end stuff, seriously you might say its good considering almost everything at wlamart is 100 or less, but if you look around you can get better quality stuff and spend not much more, i dont like it when peple ae just impatient and buy low end stuff jstu to havea bit of bass when they could spend a few hours or less looking around online and possibly get better equipment for around same price

i will say personally i only like pioneer for their h/u, unless you get their high end subs, i wouldn't touch the subs from pioneer and i dont care fo the amps (that is personal preference not degrading them) we all have the brands we like, i personally dont care a lot for much mainstream stuff

if i made that same statement but said lightning audio would you get mad, or vr brand, or sony xplods, all sold at walmart

walmart sells cheaper stuff, its been said many times walmart gets some special stuff made for them so they can afford to sell it cheaper, whether thats true i dont care, cause i dont get car audio at a supermarket

I agree with you, it is lower end stuff, and the part i bolded is what i didn't agree with, that you IMMEDIATELY knock anything from walmart. I was using pioneer as an example of a half-way decent budget system form walmart. If walmart didn't carry pioneer, then i would agree with you 100%, because the rest of those brands are crap.

**EDIT

Say, walmart carried VR, sony Xplod, and Rockford, would you still criticize people for going to walmart?

My point is i would stand up for any brand i believe is decent quality. It just happened to be pioneer.

[nCOMP1337]

at the moment, i do not have my equipment listed out, but the list i have made up, equals roughly 2200 minus the front stage cause im happy with what i have for now there

however my first decent setup, was 2 kicker cvr 15s (150 with box), rf prime 500 (100), 4 gauge rf wire (120, got raped on that), head unit was given to me, and 50 bucks for component infinity set front and back

so roughly 500 bucks after various little costs, and even though im not big on mainstream, none of the equipment is really low grade, i cant stand it when people say they want a budget system and go to walmart to find one, then swear its the best thing since sliced bread

Just because Walmart is an authorized pioneer dealer, doesn't mean it's not pioneer. And PLEASE do not try to tell me pioneer is low quality.

im not saying its low quality, but the stuff at walmart is not as good quality as it could be, plus its entry level lower end stuff, seriously you might say its good considering almost everything at wlamart is 100 or less, but if you look around you can get better quality stuff and spend not much more, i dont like it when peple ae just impatient and buy low end stuff jstu to havea bit of bass when they could spend a few hours or less looking around online and possibly get better equipment for around same price

i will say personally i only like pioneer for their h/u, unless you get their high end subs, i wouldn't touch the subs from pioneer and i dont care fo the amps (that is personal preference not degrading them) we all have the brands we like, i personally dont care a lot for much mainstream stuff

if i made that same statement but said lightning audio would you get mad, or vr brand, or sony xplods, all sold at walmart

walmart sells cheaper stuff, its been said many times walmart gets some special stuff made for them so they can afford to sell it cheaper, whether thats true i dont care, cause i dont get car audio at a supermarket

I agree with you, it is lower end stuff, and the part i bolded is what i didn't agree with, that you IMMEDIATELY knock anything from walmart. I was using pioneer as an example of a half-way decent budget system form walmart. If walmart didn't carry pioneer, then i would agree with you 100%, because the rest of those brands are crap.

**EDIT

Say, walmart carried VR, sony Xplod, and Rockford, would you still criticize people for going to walmart?

My point is i would stand up for any brand i believe is decent quality. It just happened to be pioneer.

okay so i should add in more stores, like best buy, even a lot of local dealers around me only carry the lower end stuff

my issue is less with brand and whereto buy than with people who think its the only way to go about getting something on a budget, most people are too impatient and wont even check ebay

its like people getting upset when new people come on hear asking questions and wanting answers instead of searching the forum or even googling for basic answers, their just impatient and dont want to take even a little time out to make sure what options they have and how they can use their money more wisely

edit: based on your edit, lol

walmat here has all those brands but rockford, best buy used to carry rockford til it decided to carry kicker, i still stand by my statement, its really less the brand then why people thi8nki its their only option

but still i honestly believe a little research will provide you with a better chance at a decent setup with a similar price range and better quality equipment

ive sen plenty of people come on here saying this is their budget and they have been given many good suggestions of decently mid level equipment, not ocne have i seen someone say, just checkout your local walmart or best buy

[akustoms]

Yeah, I agree 2, but there is WAY to many people on this forum who think budget stuff is 500+

so im going to do a big budget build... with what alot of the nuthuggers call *crap* equipment...

TL results and hairtricks will follow once its built

Im excited for this

[osamio]

at the moment, i do not have my equipment listed out, but the list i have made up, equals roughly 2200 minus the front stage cause im happy with what i have for now there

however my first decent setup, was 2 kicker cvr 15s (150 with box), rf prime 500 (100), 4 gauge rf wire (120, got raped on that), head unit was given to me, and 50 bucks for component infinity set front and back

so roughly 500 bucks after various little costs, and even though im not big on mainstream, none of the equipment is really low grade, i cant stand it when people say they want a budget system and go to walmart to find one, then swear its the best thing since sliced bread

Just because Walmart is an authorized pioneer dealer, doesn't mean it's not pioneer. And PLEASE do not try to tell me pioneer is low quality.

im not saying its low quality, but the stuff at walmart is not as good quality as it could be, plus its entry level lower end stuff, seriously you might say its good considering almost everything at wlamart is 100 or less, but if you look around you can get better quality stuff and spend not much more, i dont like it when peple ae just impatient and buy low end stuff jstu to havea bit of bass when they could spend a few hours or less looking around online and possibly get better equipment for around same price

i will say personally i only like pioneer for their h/u, unless you get their high end subs, i wouldn't touch the subs from pioneer and i dont care fo the amps (that is personal preference not degrading them) we all have the brands we like, i personally dont care a lot for much mainstream stuff

if i made that same statement but said lightning audio would you get mad, or vr brand, or sony xplods, all sold at walmart

walmart sells cheaper stuff, its been said many times walmart gets some special stuff made for them so they can afford to sell it cheaper, whether thats true i dont care, cause i dont get car audio at a supermarket

I agree with you, it is lower end stuff, and the part i bolded is what i didn't agree with, that you IMMEDIATELY knock anything from walmart. I was using pioneer as an example of a half-way decent budget system form walmart. If walmart didn't carry pioneer, then i would agree with you 100%, because the rest of those brands are crap.

**EDIT

Say, walmart carried VR, sony Xplod, and Rockford, would you still criticize people for going to walmart?

My point is i would stand up for any brand i believe is decent quality. It just happened to be pioneer.

okay so i should add in more stores, like best buy, even a lot of local dealers around me only carry the lower end stuff

my issue is less with brand and whereto buy than with people who think its the only way to go about getting something on a budget, most people are too impatient and wont even check ebay

its like people getting upset when new people come on hear asking questions and wanting answers instead of searching the forum or even googling for basic answers, their just impatient and dont want to take even a little time out to make sure what options they have and how they can use their money more wisely

edit: based on your edit, lol

walmat here has all those brands but rockford, best buy used to carry rockford til it decided to carry kicker, i still stand by my statement, its really less the brand then why people thi8nki its their only option

but still i honestly believe a little research will provide you with a better chance at a decent setup with a similar price range and better quality equipment

ive sen plenty of people come on here saying this is their budget and they have been given many good suggestions of decently mid level equipment, not ocne have i seen someone say, just checkout your local walmart or best buy

Hey man, I was using rockford as an example. I know they don't carry it. I meant, if they DID, you guys wouldn't be so quick to jump on the people who go to walmart to buy a system, because you know they do sell SOME quailty items, and that's how i feel about pioneer.

I'm almost playing devil's advocate here. My entire set up was from amazon/sonicelectronix/ebay etc.. I don't have a 'high end high budget' build by any means, but i wouldn't consider it a "budget build". I've spent over a grand I'm sure, I'm too lazy to do the math right now. MAYBE that is low end? But going to school 8 hours a day, working part time for minimum wage with a 35,000 dollar loan to pay back in a year, spending $1500ish (or, 2 months of rent, food, utilities, car insurance) is a lot to me.

I would never try to build a system from walmart. But i don't think you should criticize people who do.

[fritosaregood]

at the moment, i do not have my equipment listed out, but the list i have made up, equals roughly 2200 minus the front stage cause im happy with what i have for now there

however my first decent setup, was 2 kicker cvr 15s (150 with box), rf prime 500 (100), 4 gauge rf wire (120, got raped on that), head unit was given to me, and 50 bucks for component infinity set front and back

so roughly 500 bucks after various little costs, and even though im not big on mainstream, none of the equipment is really low grade, i cant stand it when people say they want a budget system and go to walmart to find one, then swear its the best thing since sliced bread

Just because Walmart is an authorized pioneer dealer, doesn't mean it's not pioneer. And PLEASE do not try to tell me pioneer is low quality.

im not saying its low quality, but the stuff at walmart is not as good quality as it could be, plus its entry level lower end stuff, seriously you might say its good considering almost everything at wlamart is 100 or less, but if you look around you can get better quality stuff and spend not much more, i dont like it when peple ae just impatient and buy low end stuff jstu to havea bit of bass when they could spend a few hours or less looking around online and possibly get better equipment for around same price

i will say personally i only like pioneer for their h/u, unless you get their high end subs, i wouldn't touch the subs from pioneer and i dont care fo the amps (that is personal preference not degrading them) we all have the brands we like, i personally dont care a lot for much mainstream stuff

if i made that same statement but said lightning audio would you get mad, or vr brand, or sony xplods, all sold at walmart

walmart sells cheaper stuff, its been said many times walmart gets some special stuff made for them so they can afford to sell it cheaper, whether thats true i dont care, cause i dont get car audio at a supermarket

I agree with you, it is lower end stuff, and the part i bolded is what i didn't agree with, that you IMMEDIATELY knock anything from walmart. I was using pioneer as an example of a half-way decent budget system form walmart. If walmart didn't carry pioneer, then i would agree with you 100%, because the rest of those brands are crap.

**EDIT

Say, walmart carried VR, sony Xplod, and Rockford, would you still criticize people for going to walmart?

My point is i would stand up for any brand i believe is decent quality. It just happened to be pioneer.

okay so i should add in more stores, like best buy, even a lot of local dealers around me only carry the lower end stuff

my issue is less with brand and whereto buy than with people who think its the only way to go about getting something on a budget, most people are too impatient and wont even check ebay

its like people getting upset when new people come on hear asking questions and wanting answers instead of searching the forum or even googling for basic answers, their just impatient and dont want to take even a little time out to make sure what options they have and how they can use their money more wisely

edit: based on your edit, lol

walmat here has all those brands but rockford, best buy used to carry rockford til it decided to carry kicker, i still stand by my statement, its really less the brand then why people thi8nki its their only option

but still i honestly believe a little research will provide you with a better chance at a decent setup with a similar price range and better quality equipment

ive sen plenty of people come on here saying this is their budget and they have been given many good suggestions of decently mid level equipment, not ocne have i seen someone say, just checkout your local walmart or best buy

so instead of buying a 50 to 70 dollar sub at walmart there gonna jump on ebay and bet a B.A.S.S. brand speaker that will maybe work for a week, just cuz it was only 12 dollars

[osamio]

at the moment, i do not have my equipment listed out, but the list i have made up, equals roughly 2200 minus the front stage cause im happy with what i have for now there

however my first decent setup, was 2 kicker cvr 15s (150 with box), rf prime 500 (100), 4 gauge rf wire (120, got raped on that), head unit was given to me, and 50 bucks for component infinity set front and back

so roughly 500 bucks after various little costs, and even though im not big on mainstream, none of the equipment is really low grade, i cant stand it when people say they want a budget system and go to walmart to find one, then swear its the best thing since sliced bread

Just because Walmart is an authorized pioneer dealer, doesn't mean it's not pioneer. And PLEASE do not try to tell me pioneer is low quality.

im not saying its low quality, but the stuff at walmart is not as good quality as it could be, plus its entry level lower end stuff, seriously you might say its good considering almost everything at wlamart is 100 or less, but if you look around you can get better quality stuff and spend not much more, i dont like it when peple ae just impatient and buy low end stuff jstu to havea bit of bass when they could spend a few hours or less looking around online and possibly get better equipment for around same price

i will say personally i only like pioneer for their h/u, unless you get their high end subs, i wouldn't touch the subs from pioneer and i dont care fo the amps (that is personal preference not degrading them) we all have the brands we like, i personally dont care a lot for much mainstream stuff

if i made that same statement but said lightning audio would you get mad, or vr brand, or sony xplods, all sold at walmart

walmart sells cheaper stuff, its been said many times walmart gets some special stuff made for them so they can afford to sell it cheaper, whether thats true i dont care, cause i dont get car audio at a supermarket

I agree with you, it is lower end stuff, and the part i bolded is what i didn't agree with, that you IMMEDIATELY knock anything from walmart. I was using pioneer as an example of a half-way decent budget system form walmart. If walmart didn't carry pioneer, then i would agree with you 100%, because the rest of those brands are crap.

**EDIT

Say, walmart carried VR, sony Xplod, and Rockford, would you still criticize people for going to walmart?

My point is i would stand up for any brand i believe is decent quality. It just happened to be pioneer.

okay so i should add in more stores, like best buy, even a lot of local dealers around me only carry the lower end stuff

my issue is less with brand and whereto buy than with people who think its the only way to go about getting something on a budget, most people are too impatient and wont even check ebay

its like people getting upset when new people come on hear asking questions and wanting answers instead of searching the forum or even googling for basic answers, their just impatient and dont want to take even a little time out to make sure what options they have and how they can use their money more wisely

edit: based on your edit, lol

walmat here has all those brands but rockford, best buy used to carry rockford til it decided to carry kicker, i still stand by my statement, its really less the brand then why people thi8nki its their only option

but still i honestly believe a little research will provide you with a better chance at a decent setup with a similar price range and better quality equipment

ive sen plenty of people come on here saying this is their budget and they have been given many good suggestions of decently mid level equipment, not ocne have i seen someone say, just checkout your local walmart or best buy

so instead of buying a 50 to 70 dollar sub at walmart there gonna jump on ebay and bet a B.A.S.S. brand speaker that will maybe work for a week, just cuz it was only 12 dollars

I don't think he's saying that, I think he means if you are a smart buyer/know what to look for, you can find quality stuff for a budget price, but most people won't take the time to do it.

[skittlesRgood]

Yeah, I agree 2, but there is WAY to many people on this forum who think budget stuff is 500+

so im going to do a big budget build... with what alot of the nuthuggers call *crap* equipment...

TL results and hairtricks will follow once its built

lanzar opti's and an audiopipe is not exactly crap lol. i mean, i would never run the stuff personally but its not Pyle subs and Boss amps.