Nightshade

Well if it helps any my dual Nightshade 15 setup that is tuned to 37hz does a 152+ on the dash sealed and loses spl by going to the headrest. Last time I metered it when I was only doing a 151.3 on the dash I could only do a 150.6 at the headrest. And to the op that asked how was a single 8 louder than a single 15. In my car for spl I drop down to a single 15 instead of 2 15's and I gain in spl. The single 15 box is tuned to 46hz instead of 37hz like the 2 15 box is. The single 15 box will also do over a 153 and is generally 1.3-1.5 db louder than my 2 15 box. The main reason is the freq is better for spl in the car the same way the 8's freq is better for spl in the car than the 15 is.

^^^Showoff You guys might as well get this year's product info catalog front page ready for this guy's install, lol.

Got a pair of Clarion 10's that I'll sell you if interested. Here's a pic of them, and they are brand new in the box. I got them origionally for my wife's car and then Fi had a blowout deal on the 12" X woofers so I got her one of those instead. I had them for sale on here before and no one wanted them. I know they're not top of the line, but they are sitting in my closet in my loft doing absolutely nothing at all.

Nathan here are a few of mine that I have done in my Focus ZX3. These are a bit older as of now my pair of D3100's are tucked away in the spare tire well for a better fit. I'm also a member of Team XS Power so if you have a shirt that you want to send to me sometime I wouldn't mind. Scottie never said anything about one and when I had the chance to meet him a month or so ago he never showed up to Dominic's house Anyway enjoy them and hopefully I'll have some pics of the mods that I do to fit a D3100 under the hood in the near future along with trying to squeeze another in the spare tire well. I hope you guys like these and they can be helpful. I know they aren't the prettiest but when you have a daily driver that doubles as a spl vehicle you sometimes have to compromise. I'll be talking to you guys at XS Power again here real soon about some more of the best batteries in the world. Team XS Power FTMFW!!!

What suv is this that you have? The reason I ask is you may be able to fit a D3100 where the battery that you have now is at and that would work well enough as a primary battery on 2500 watts. On top of running a D3100 I would reccomend at least a run of 0 guage to your amp for power and a run of 0 for negative as well. Then there's always the thought of adding a high output alt and can be done down the road when you can either afford it or decide that you would like to keep nice 14 volts while playing full tilt on music.

Is this just a car show or audio competition too?

Okay that sounds good. I think that 2 260's should work fine. I'll pm you once I hear back from Dominick about pricing for you and if he's already got brackets made or not. If you can only do one alt then I think you should do at least a 300 amp or larger. I'd also consider an external voltage regulator if your a competitor. If you just drive the truck daily then I'd say an internal regulator should work just fine then. I'll pm you prices on a dual setup including brackets if they're available. If not I'll still get you pricing on dual 260's and also pricing on a single 300 or larger. I will work on getting the prices to you right away and I hope that I can help you get this setup going for you. Also the alts are by Iraggi incase you didn't figure that out yet. They are the only alt that I honestly reccomend for very modest prices. Don't get me wrong other companies do make a decent alt, but most of them have outrageous prices and Dom doesn't do that sort of thing with his alts.

What kind of power are you planning on running in your truck? I know you said that you currently have a stock alt, but what does your electrical look like as far as batteries and runs of wire? I would guess that if you were planning on running just one alt that you'd probably want a 300 or so amp model but you could run a 240 or 260 and be fine as well. It all depends on how much power you plan on running and how much reserve battery power you have on hand. Let me know these couple things so I can get a better idea of what you need.

Let me see what I can come up with for you. Do you already own a high output alt, or pair of alts? If not I can get you some pricing on one or two of them. I'll also check on a bracket for you to see if there is one already made up. I'm pretty sure that you'll be able to do 2 alts especially if you remove the ac from the truck. Let me get back to you.

What's going to be loudest is if you put the sub in a sealed enclosure and then attach a ported enclosure right in front of the sealed woofer. That would be a variation of what's called a bandpass. Actually it would be a 4th order bandpass and SHOULD be louder and more efficient than both a sealed and ported enclosure. There are other versions of bandpass designs, but if you are looking for overall loudness they are going to be your best bet. They will have a very limited range of frequencies that they will play loudly, but in that limted range they will outperform both ported and sealed boxes that peak around the same freq.

I am a customer of Dom's and this sounds nothing like him at all. I drove to his shop in Tn from Nc and he installed the alt that he built for me in my car himself. I'm sure that there is possibly an issue with something along the way but I find it very hard to believe that you went through several alts and they were all his fault. That is why you want a refund because the multiple alts that you got from him didn't work? I have a feeling that it's to the point where it may be user error or an incorrect install cause I know a person can make a mistake when building something but time and time again I find it hard to believe. I would trust Dom's word in this case because I do remember an issue with you selling an item here on the forum with one of the mod's and you were the one who was supposed to be the one giving the buyer the shaft. So on that note I can't say you have much of a leg to stand on since your business practice is not all that great to begin with. I've had issues with a couple different manufacturers even from this very site and you haven't ever seen me making a public thread to attempt to solve the situation. This is something that needs to be handled in private for the benefit of both customer and manufacturer. What are you achieving by bringing this to a public forum? You are just making yourself look like your crying over something that could very well be your own fault and I'm sure pissing the manufacturer off in the process by making this public by trying to hurt his rep. It shows how very little class you have for the fact that you couldn't keep this behind closed doors and even went to the point of a law suit. Honestly if Dom were completely in the wrong I know he would own up to it and make it right with you based on my own dealings with him I don't see that not happening. I think your trying to get more than what you deserve and in this case I think you deserve nothing for being greedy and trying to drag his name through the mud. If this were me I'd tell you that you weren't going to get shit after you handled it the way you did and gladly invite you to come to the state where I live so we could settle this once and for all. Just do this one thing for me before you continue to persue this in the way that you are. Remember back to when 1LowSuv was calling you out for being a scammer and took it public. How did that make you feel? Did you feel like you had scammed him, or did you feel that you delt with the transaction in a professional manner? Now after reflecting on that maybe you'll handle this situation a little bit better than what you have. If not Karma's a bitch and your probably getting what you deserve weather it happend before or after the same acuasation was made about you.

As long as your running a 12 volt system an MLA module is legal to the best of my knowledge. I've seen competitors use external voltage regulators in a few of the classes but never seem them go over 15.5 volts or so. Hell sometimes when I start my car up it's over 15.5 volts and that was with a stock alt. Now I have an Iraggi and it's around 15.1-15.2 when it's cold. In NSPL it's pretty much about efficiency at lower power except for the 3601-Up classes. The idea of more voltage in a 1801-3600 watt class doesn't really help a lot cause if you go over 3600 watts your moved to the next class up. So weather you make your power at 12 volts or 15 volts it's not that big of a deal if you keep it under 3600 watts. I can see higher voltage actually hurting you in the lower classes since your amps will make more power at that higher voltage it would be easier to go over your power limit. Like I said though for the class your probably going to be in a higher voltage will help a bunch, but there is only so much power that 3 additional batteries will make so you are kinda limited. I would say that it's probably almost impossible to make over 20-25K watts in the class unless you were running 4 Battcap 8400's, 1 up front under the hood and 3 in the rear. Those batts are strong as hell and used to rule the NSPL organization, but now most people can't afford them. Also to answer your other question about having more than 3 batts, you can as long as they are completely unhooked and the judge can see and inspect them to make sure nothing is running into them. So you may have to be able to access them easily and be able to lift them up and show a judge that they're cool. I also run in the Streetbass 149.9 class so it looks like finals could be fun this year since there should me many more people in the class. I only have to get the issue of my amps protecting under control first but there is almost 10 months to figure it out No problem helping you, you know who to ask if you need anything else. :hairtrick:

Ouch, I wasn't expecting someone to break that out lol. The guy is a tool being a member here and just ripping off Steve's site. I hope he reads this and it convinces him to change the page. I'm not certain about how much legal action can be taken in this case, but the flaming alone should be enough to motivate this guy to do something about it now.

I know this is gonna sound weird but I would have tried the woofers firing back against the back fire wall and then had the port firing up and then flipped to have the port firing to the drivers side. I think that you'd be surprised on how well that would work. It's funny how many stupid looks I get from people when they see my setup that is woofers firing back against the hatch and ports firing up to the roof. Then when I explain to them that it's 1.2 db louder this way then woofers up and port back they just say huh. Seriously though try it and let me know if you can. I understand if you can't cause it's Jake's box and he lives pretty damn far away from you.

Wtf, I wonder if this guy feels good about himself ripping your site off. I think that either he's too lazy to design his own home page or he thinks that by using an identical one as yours it's going to improve his traffic and attract more people. Either way it's kinda pathetic. You know what they say though imitation is the greatest form of flattery. So I think I'd be a bit bitter sweet about the whole idea.

Based on the info you've given here I would say that you would either be in Truck/Suv 3601-Up or possibly one of the no wall classes depending on how many subs you end up with. The only reason I'm not sure about the Truck/Suv class is because of the 4 runs, I know that you will only have 3 power runs but I'm not sure if Fred will count the 1 negative run as allowed for the class or not. I will check into it for you since I need to do the same thing for my car and I'm only allowed 3 runs of 0 guage as well. You are allowed multiple alts as long as you operate on 12 volts in this class, if you ran no wall you'd be able to run a 16 volt setup. Here's the nice part for you that I'm sure you didn't know about. In NSPL to compete in any of the consumer classes such as beginer, trunk, car, and truck/suv you are allowed to build the box over the window line. The rule for NSPL is that the box must be at least 12" away from the highest part of your roof to not be classified as a wall. For example since I have a small hatchback and the height of the car is only 19 or so inches in the hatch but only a realistic 15" at top and 18" at bottom deep I would normally be limited to running a very small box with a single sub. This is actually what I do with a single 15, but I used to run two tuned to 37hz and the box was 12" away from the roof so I was legal for the class. Let this little bit of info help you when building or deciding how many subs to go with. As far as I know you can also use as much deadener as you wish, but there is such a thing as too much cause you will start to lose spl after several sheets of it. Another thing to let you know this class is very tough so be ready for some intense competition. This is probably one of the most popular classes in NSPL meaning the truck/suv class. Have fun and if you have anymore questions just let me know. I will reply here or to you in pm when I find out about the power wire runs for negatives.

I use one of the telephone y splitters on my Sundown amps and they work fine. With that said, Bernie said that his amps are similar to the Atomic 5K which is a Zenon board. The Sundown amps are also Zenon boards so if I had to guess I'd say that this would work fine with the amp that he has. On another note I did the y splitter trick back in the day on my Rockford Fosgate 1100a2's and it worked just fine. I've never attempted it on a new Rockford amp but it may not work on them since Rockford makes a product specifically for this function on their amps.

I was gonna say it's possible too. I had a stock alt with a Deka G34 up front, 3 runs of 0 guage power to the rear, and 2 XS Power D3100's in back running a pair of Sundown 2000d's that were producing 5200 watts strapped at .5 ohms. Now I was running over 3K on stock electrical and 3 batts and still bumped music daily loud enough to bassrace a 149.9, so how is that not possible????

I have around an additional 400 pounds of box, batteries, and subs in the back of my ZX3. It hurts accelleration a lot since I have a 125 hp 4 cylinder to begin with, but I prefer the bass. Also I don't know if any of you have noticed how the ZX3's sit up in the rear end a coupe of inches higher than the front, but mine is dropped in the rear due to the weight and looks 100% better than a "stock" ZX3. I've had several people ask me what I used to lower the rear end and I've told them about 400 pounds of stereo equiptment. It has a function and the bonus of looking better I know it is probably going to wear out the suspension much faster, but it's the small price you pay to do 152's with your daily setup in a hatchback.

I'm not positive what light it is, but I too have one out on my ZX3. I've been putting off taking apart the dash to find out so unless another one goes out I'll more than likely leave it for now. However, do let me know the part number if you find out.

I'm subscribed for a new vid. Any chance your looking for some new talent for your vids Twisted? I got a pair of Nightshade twins that I know are ready for the big time. They've got attitude and love to beat up on multiple woofer setups twice their size. Ain't nothing cooler than standing in the shade at night. Can you dig?

No, it's true DJ was around when having a system in your car ment throwing your record player in the model T and crusing past the speak easy looking for some flappers. J/k man, happy birthday. I hope you have a good one

By whole system do you mean radio and all or just the amp? If it's everything it is more than likely a voltage issue. I have had that problem at one point running two Alpine mrd-605's off a stock 650 amp battery and a single run of 4 guage. When the bass line would first hit the whole car would just shut off, engine and all since the voltage dropped so low. I measured it and I was dropping to the mid 11's, but for some reason it decided to shut off.

You know what would be fun Jake? If you were to come to High Point on Sunday and bring this woofer with you. I will have my spl box in the car for a single 15 and it would be cool to switch a V1 out for a V2 in a second setup for comparrison. I understand if you don't wanna let me play with your new toy, I wouldn't be too willing to share right away either

I bet yo wife can run in the 139.9 class. The shit looks violent for only 500 watts rms. Get yo lady some power bro, and watch dudes cry cause she's got their best buy setup beat. Loud wifey FTW!!! My wife has a Fi X 12 ran off a Kicker zx400.1 at 2 ohms in a trunk Civic. The box is ported with 1.75 cubes and tuned to 39ish hz. She's happy with it, she's also happy it doesn't rip her head off like my car does when she rides in it.