ok, thats 4 and 0 so single chamber wins. thanks guys, now i just gotta finish the design a little add some space for bracing. i might paint the port silver like my car and do black and blue fabric, any suggestions on painting mdf? for fabric it will be black with what ever side ends up on top being blue with a rf symbol in the middle. gonna get it tested several time in different positions before i put the finishing touches on it. the build will start once it gets warm enough, -10 to 30 degrees is to cold to work outside. so another 2 months or so.