Omega5002 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 I will admit, even in a good box, the cvr doesn't have good sq, it gets loud and what not, but when playing SQ songs, the bass is muffled. 2003 Kia Sorento Team Subsonic LowsTeam Bassin' on a Budget2016 Rebuild Under Construction Best score: 150.2 at 40hz (3k, 2 Custom HDC3 15's) Usaci style(door open, in the kick) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplehaze Posted June 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Okay, so I have read every post, and I appreciate all of you opinions. While some of them I must disagree with. The biggest one being that Kicker subs can not get low, or sound good. Yes, I totally agree that their subs are not top of the line, but what exactly would make them all sound bad, and not get loud, no matter what enclosure they were in? I remember hearing that crap a few years ago, so I set out to prove it wrong, and did. In case you never seen it, I built a box for 3 L5 12's, and put a DC 5.0K on them. They got VERY loud, VERY low, and to this day is still the best sounding bass I have ever heard. Again, not the best subs, and I never said they were. But ANY half-way decent sub has the ability to get loud and sound good, it is all in the install and the enclosure. Period. Kicker or not. Hell Sony Explodes can sound good, if in the right box.Anyway it's hard to tell from vids that it sounds good, but you can definitely tell they were getting "down low". 150+ on music. Box tuned at 33hz. And other members here can attest to the SQ. Again, I am not promoting them, hell I agree with most of you. Just had to show these, cause they could "get low and sound good". A SUBS ABILITY TO GET LOW TRULY DEPENDS ON TWO MAIN THINGS: IT'S FS, AND THE ENCLOSURE IT IS IN. Period. Kicker or not. EDIT* I have never used nor heard the CVX's so I won't comment directly about them. But IMO, they have the ability as well. I truly believe most of the problem is usually the box. Also, all this and I'm not even gonna be using Kicker subs myself! (Well sorta, I am building custom 4 Solo XXX 15's using Solo X 18 motors)But the reason isn't the sound, it's the gap in power handling. Kickin' Cruiser Seller Feedback Stage 3 Dash, Door Panels,4th Order wall 4 - 15'son a DC 5.0K 2 DC 5.0K'sSolo X 15 (v.2) Sub Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8PunkRok Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 nothing bad about kicker from me but i needed to comment in this thread pretty sure the shocker sig is the strongest ferrite motor -Matt2005 Dodge Magnum RTJVC KD-AVX1 2 PPI S580.2 Obsidian Audio ST1 Horn Tweeters PRV 8MB450s Audio Legion 3500.1D 2 RE MT 18s 360 ah LiFePO4 BatterySHCA 2/0 155.2 @ 29 hzKicker CVR 15's buildDD 3512e buildMini T-Line Build(6) 8s BuildNightshade 15s Wall BuildMagnum AB XFL 12s BuildNewest Magnum Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplehaze Posted June 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 nothing bad about kicker from me but i needed to comment in this thread pretty sure the shocker sig is the strongest ferrite motor Any info on said motor? Sounds very interesting... Kickin' Cruiser Seller Feedback Stage 3 Dash, Door Panels,4th Order wall 4 - 15'son a DC 5.0K 2 DC 5.0K'sSolo X 15 (v.2) Sub Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega5002 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Well, I may say my Kicker didn't have good sq(I'm picky), I thought it still sounded good for what it was, people who heard it were surprised as hell. It got low too, I could play 25hz decently from being in my trunk, and after selling it and the box to my friend who has an suv, it plays 25hz with authority, and still hold its ground on high bass.Build a good box, and feed it clean power, and Kickers will do great. Though I do think they are overpriced new, but you always find them dirt cheap on craiglist lolHere's a video of my SINGLE CVR12 on a Kenwood KAC 9104D at 2 ohms(900 rms) 2003 Kia Sorento Team Subsonic LowsTeam Bassin' on a Budget2016 Rebuild Under Construction Best score: 150.2 at 40hz (3k, 2 Custom HDC3 15's) Usaci style(door open, in the kick) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8PunkRok Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 decent picture of the motor. d_a_v_i_d or however his name is made has a build with two of these motors Brandon15zzz has one of these motors as well and my teammates have about 4 between them. they weigh a shit ton -Matt2005 Dodge Magnum RTJVC KD-AVX1 2 PPI S580.2 Obsidian Audio ST1 Horn Tweeters PRV 8MB450s Audio Legion 3500.1D 2 RE MT 18s 360 ah LiFePO4 BatterySHCA 2/0 155.2 @ 29 hzKicker CVR 15's buildDD 3512e buildMini T-Line Build(6) 8s BuildNightshade 15s Wall BuildMagnum AB XFL 12s BuildNewest Magnum Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighossf150 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 I've always heardthe solo x 18 was the stongest ferrite motor. My first real build was 2 cvr 12s sealed on a 04kx1200.1. Id buy another 1200 if I had a chance but the subs kept burnin leads. Used to have a loud truck 2009 Corvette Z06, H/C/I, 150 shot, g force tune, 730rwhp/690rwtq 2013 F-150 limited, MPT Tune, leveled on 35"s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big dee Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 I personally found that Kicker, MTX, Orion, Lanzar quality started to drop in the mid 90's when car audio started to fade. Kicker rocked up until that point in opinion. As others have stated the Warhorse amp is in iits own category. So it's not that I hate Kicker, I have just seen it turn into a swapmeet level product like many others. lanzar was the shit ! I had some 15s back in 91. And kicker subs was alot beefier back the too. There old paper cone subs sounded amazing an got low. But those days are long gone. Damn it I'm old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big dee Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Well, I may say my Kicker didn't have good sq(I'm picky), I thought it still sounded good for what it was, people who heard it were surprised as hell. It got low too, I could play 25hz decently from being in my trunk, and after selling it and the box to my friend who has an suv, it plays 25hz with authority, and still hold its ground on high bass. Build a good box, and feed it clean power, and Kickers will do great. Though I do think they are overpriced new, but you always find them dirt cheap on craiglist lol Here's a video of my SINGLE CVR12 on a Kenwood KAC 9104D at 2 ohms(900 rms) damn remind me to never buy that kinda car lol if one kicker 12 flexes the roof that easy I don't want to sport around in your ride for sure lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AI James Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Okay, so I have read every post, and I appreciate all of you opinions. While some of them I must disagree with. The biggest one being that Kicker subs can not get low, or sound good. Yes, I totally agree that their subs are not top of the line, but what exactly would make them all sound bad, and not get loud, no matter what enclosure they were in? I remember hearing that crap a few years ago, so I set out to prove it wrong, and did. In case you never seen it, I built a box for 3 L5 12's, and put a DC 5.0K on them. They got VERY loud, VERY low, and to this day is still the best sounding bass I have ever heard. Again, not the best subs, and I never said they were. But ANY half-way decent sub has the ability to get loud and sound good, it is all in the install and the enclosure. Period. Kicker or not. Hell Sony Explodes can sound good, if in the right box. Anyway it's hard to tell from vids that it sounds good, but you can definitely tell they were getting "down low". 150+ on music. Box tuned at 33hz. And other members here can attest to the SQ. Again, I am not promoting them, hell I agree with most of you. Just had to show these, cause they could "get low and sound good". A SUBS ABILITY TO GET LOW TRULY DEPENDS ON TWO MAIN THINGS: IT'S FS, AND THE ENCLOSURE IT IS IN. Period. Kicker or not. EDIT* I have never used nor heard the CVX's so I won't comment directly about them. But IMO, they have the ability as well. I truly believe most of the problem is usually the box. Also, all this and I'm not even gonna be using Kicker subs myself! (Well sorta, I am building custom 4 Solo XXX 15's using Solo X 18 motors) But the reason isn't the sound, it's the gap in power handling. why not show a video testing output on a terrmlab meter at 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50hz, then we can see how linear they are . Throw an RTA into the equatio, and see where it maps. Throwing power at a lower power sub you can force them to play whatever you want. run them at recommended RMS. I've done all this already, but dont really care one way or another, just would really rather see someone test them with concrete data rather then..."o to my ear they play everything" Also play something articulate, rather then slowed music that has next to no dynamics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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