SnowDrifter Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 So I keep reading that low voltage, clipping, running below rated, heat, etc blows amps. I've never popped an amp myself but this is the stuff that commonly happens. So my question is this: Why does this happen? Isn't it the job of the protect circuit to shut down the amp before damage takes place - it blows? ~~~~~~~~SAY NO TO PHOTOBUCKET~~~~~~~~ Snow's DD-1 tracks here: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/167433-snows-dd-1-tracks/ My take on OFC vs CCA: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/110381-things-that-piss-you-off-in-the-car-audio-world/?do=findComment&comment=2461444 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarball Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Well, here is my very recent experience. I was running my amp at 1/4 ohm today and playing below tuning. Voltage did not noticeably drop, the amp cut out, came back on, then poof---smoke! No more amp. In this situation my theory is that they just arent made to handle chaotic situations (which i defined above). When electronics heat up, bad things happens, stuff melts, board malfunction - random things happen in chaos, for example, protection circuits may not work. When the protection circuit malfunctions ur screwed. Moral of my story, dont play music @ 1/4 ohm below tuning and expect anything good to happen for long, it was loud as shit for a bit though. Edit - BTW 250a fuse never popped. CURRENT SYSTEM: Alternator: Stock alt on mids/highs Isolated DC Power 270 SP - Charging @ 16.8v Batteries: (2) XS D1400s Power Cable: Double Runs of 1/0 KNU Kolossus Fleks Headunit: 80-PRS Sub Amp: DC 5.0k Subwoofers: 2 RE MT 15s /PSI dual .7ohm recones Subwoofer Enclosure: 9.1cubes @ 32hz - brutal. Mids & Highs Amp: CT125.4 Active Components: Mids RE XXX 6.5c Highs - 3 RE XXX tweeters per side(A pillar) Noise Control: Damplifier Pro all over the cab. Build Log If you do business with me please leave feedback here: FEEDBACK THREAD Highest Legal Score: 151.0 db Highest Musical 30 Second Average: 151.6 db Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieFatMan Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 As i see it , protection is just a safety. Like a surge protector in your home (not exactly just as an example) it's job is to save you from your self an the unknown ( protect works best in the amps preferred operating conditions if its 1ohm an you run .5 .25 well your on your own )But it can fail like anything else. got hot one to many times, an some other component failed.low voltage will do some nasty things "Walmart Where Car Audio Is Both Funny and Sad" "The weak are meat, and the strong do eat..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CstrokerV Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Well, here is my very recent experience. I was running my amp at 1/4 ohm today and playing below tuning. Voltage did not noticeably drop, the amp cut out, came back on, then poof---smoke! No more amp. In this situation my theory is that they just arent made to handle chaotic situations (which i defined above). When electronics heat up, bad things happens, stuff melts, board malfunction - random things happen in chaos, for example, protection circuits may not work. When the protection circuit malfunctions ur screwed. Moral of my story, dont play music @ 1/4 ohm below tuning and expect anything good to happen for long, it was loud as shit for a bit though. Edit - BTW 250a fuse never popped. the 250A amp fuse won't blow unless the amp pulls over 250 amps... it won't blow for over driving your amp components like you did in your situation my build http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/142505-small-build-log-4-dc-lvl3-10s-tl-update-link-to-rebuild/ http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/154258-rebuild-6-lvl3-12s-update-small-video-nothing-spectacular/ new build http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/188181-03-trailblazer-slow-build-8-dc-lvl3-12-m1-motor-m2-parts/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarball Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Well, here is my very recent experience. I was running my amp at 1/4 ohm today and playing below tuning. Voltage did not noticeably drop, the amp cut out, came back on, then poof---smoke! No more amp. In this situation my theory is that they just arent made to handle chaotic situations (which i defined above). When electronics heat up, bad things happens, stuff melts, board malfunction - random things happen in chaos, for example, protection circuits may not work. When the protection circuit malfunctions ur screwed. Moral of my story, dont play music @ 1/4 ohm below tuning and expect anything good to happen for long, it was loud as shit for a bit though. Edit - BTW 250a fuse never popped. the 250A amp fuse won't blow unless the amp pulls over 250 amps... it won't blow for over driving your amp components like you did in your situation Yeah, but doesn't it have to pull more amps somewhere in there ? CURRENT SYSTEM: Alternator: Stock alt on mids/highs Isolated DC Power 270 SP - Charging @ 16.8v Batteries: (2) XS D1400s Power Cable: Double Runs of 1/0 KNU Kolossus Fleks Headunit: 80-PRS Sub Amp: DC 5.0k Subwoofers: 2 RE MT 15s /PSI dual .7ohm recones Subwoofer Enclosure: 9.1cubes @ 32hz - brutal. Mids & Highs Amp: CT125.4 Active Components: Mids RE XXX 6.5c Highs - 3 RE XXX tweeters per side(A pillar) Noise Control: Damplifier Pro all over the cab. Build Log If you do business with me please leave feedback here: FEEDBACK THREAD Highest Legal Score: 151.0 db Highest Musical 30 Second Average: 151.6 db Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CstrokerV Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 So I keep reading that low voltage, clipping, running below rated, heat, etc blows amps. I've never popped an amp myself but this is the stuff that commonly happens. So my question is this: Why does this happen? Isn't it the job of the protect circuit to shut down the amp before damage takes place - it blows? they all act like a circuit break im assuming, But if you keep pushing it the components are damage thus blowing the amp... im assuming that there's certain criteria for the protection circuit to trip but you can be close to it tripping but it doesn't and damaged the components of the amp... NOTE THIS IS MY THEORY NOT SURE HOW TRUE IT IS my build http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/142505-small-build-log-4-dc-lvl3-10s-tl-update-link-to-rebuild/ http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/154258-rebuild-6-lvl3-12s-update-small-video-nothing-spectacular/ new build http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/188181-03-trailblazer-slow-build-8-dc-lvl3-12-m1-motor-m2-parts/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CstrokerV Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Well, here is my very recent experience. I was running my amp at 1/4 ohm today and playing below tuning. Voltage did not noticeably drop, the amp cut out, came back on, then poof---smoke! No more amp. In this situation my theory is that they just arent made to handle chaotic situations (which i defined above). When electronics heat up, bad things happens, stuff melts, board malfunction - random things happen in chaos, for example, protection circuits may not work. When the protection circuit malfunctions ur screwed. Moral of my story, dont play music @ 1/4 ohm below tuning and expect anything good to happen for long, it was loud as shit for a bit though. Edit - BTW 250a fuse never popped. the 250A amp fuse won't blow unless the amp pulls over 250 amps... it won't blow for over driving your amp components like you did in your situation Yeah, but doesn't it have to pull more amps somewhere in there ? yeah at the components of said amp or less amps depending on situation heating up the components i would assume causing them to fail plus a fuse don't blow right away can take a minute + my build http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/142505-small-build-log-4-dc-lvl3-10s-tl-update-link-to-rebuild/ http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/154258-rebuild-6-lvl3-12s-update-small-video-nothing-spectacular/ new build http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/188181-03-trailblazer-slow-build-8-dc-lvl3-12-m1-motor-m2-parts/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarball Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 true, i just pulled one out that was turning that cooked metal=color at the center that i had been running for a couple of weeks. Well, here is my very recent experience. I was running my amp at 1/4 ohm today and playing below tuning. Voltage did not noticeably drop, the amp cut out, came back on, then poof---smoke! No more amp. In this situation my theory is that they just arent made to handle chaotic situations (which i defined above). When electronics heat up, bad things happens, stuff melts, board malfunction - random things happen in chaos, for example, protection circuits may not work. When the protection circuit malfunctions ur screwed. Moral of my story, dont play music @ 1/4 ohm below tuning and expect anything good to happen for long, it was loud as shit for a bit though. Edit - BTW 250a fuse never popped. the 250A amp fuse won't blow unless the amp pulls over 250 amps... it won't blow for over driving your amp components like you did in your situation Yeah, but doesn't it have to pull more amps somewhere in there ? yeah at the components of said amp or less amps depending on situation heating up the components i would assume causing them to failplus a fuse don't blow right away can take a minute + CURRENT SYSTEM: Alternator: Stock alt on mids/highs Isolated DC Power 270 SP - Charging @ 16.8v Batteries: (2) XS D1400s Power Cable: Double Runs of 1/0 KNU Kolossus Fleks Headunit: 80-PRS Sub Amp: DC 5.0k Subwoofers: 2 RE MT 15s /PSI dual .7ohm recones Subwoofer Enclosure: 9.1cubes @ 32hz - brutal. Mids & Highs Amp: CT125.4 Active Components: Mids RE XXX 6.5c Highs - 3 RE XXX tweeters per side(A pillar) Noise Control: Damplifier Pro all over the cab. Build Log If you do business with me please leave feedback here: FEEDBACK THREAD Highest Legal Score: 151.0 db Highest Musical 30 Second Average: 151.6 db Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDrifter Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 for info ~~~~~~~~SAY NO TO PHOTOBUCKET~~~~~~~~ Snow's DD-1 tracks here: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/167433-snows-dd-1-tracks/ My take on OFC vs CCA: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/110381-things-that-piss-you-off-in-the-car-audio-world/?do=findComment&comment=2461444 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEvil Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 It happens because not all protection circuitry is perfect and doing the same thing (running into protect) over time degrades the parts inside the amp. MickyMcD - "Capable of making some serious trouser flapping volumes at where's-my-testicles frequencies, the Servo-Drives used to be fairly jaw dropping..." Any time you have have a power wire next to your frame put some rubber hosing (or cut up an innertube) around it. The wire is bound to wiggle (due to driving or flex) and the casing will eventually wear through. Hammerdown... 1% no links to outside websites, business related FB/YT pages allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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