twisted1 Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Hey yall I have pioneer 4300dvd an was wondering if I should set gains with all headunit flat then swap over to loudness or just set em with loud on? Some songs off usb an ipod are low so I like to use sla an loud Quote 09 mustang gt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 set it were ever u like it then use the DD1. ive noticed that when i did it with all flat the set it were i wanted it will clip some what, if i redid it with the DD1. i still dont understand why would u use the DD1 with all setting flat when i dont listen to my music flat. Quote REFF'SMy linkEBAYhttp://feedback.ebay...ck&myworld=trueI love car audio so much because I will never be done. I can never win, and I will never get it finished or perfect. It always has me coming back for more, I can never get my fill of it, but I get what I need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicks Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 The DD-1 can only look for distortion at 40Hz and 1kHz. Therefore you need to set all the levels flat so that you are adjusting your entire frequency band to the point of 1% distortion (clipping). If you boost, then that frequency range could easily start clipping while the other frequency's are OK. If you knew that your boosted frequency was directly at 40Hz then you could use the DD-1 to monitor it. "Loudness" is a volume dependent boosting feature. You get more boost at lower volumes. As you turn up the volume, the amount of boost decreases as its not needed anymore. As long as you knew that at your max usable volume, the Loudness boost was no longer preset then you should be fine, but all Loudness features are probably different and I haven't really looked at a response curve for one to know for sure. In a nutshell, you want to make sure that you are not driving your input signal past clipping. The DD-1 is a great tool to find your clipping point but its limited to only two frequency's. Therefore if you boost outside of those two frequency's, you run the risk of accidentally clipping. The best tools to absolutely guarantee that you're not clipping would be a frequency generator and an O-scope. With those, you could sweep the entire frequency band and monitor your output signal live and tell if your boosted settings are causing clipping. BUT that is rather expensive to do. If you're that concerned about it, you could check your local audio shop and see if they could perform such a service? I would hope that a quality shop would contain a frequency generator, o-scope, RTA, etc... Quote This post sent with 100% recycled electrons. 2004 BMW M3Mechman 280A 2 - XS Power XP30001 - XS Power D375 500F of Maxwell SuperCaps (soon to be 1000F) iPadMini2Dash mounted O-scopeAudison bitOne (Remote DRC MP) Highs Amp - PPI Art A404 Hertz HSK130 (HSK165 waiting...) DC Audio DC9.0K 2- DC Audio XL12m2LEGAL - 147.3dB @ 41Hz OUTLAW - 150.2dB @ 45Hz OUTLAW - 145.7dB @ 30Hz JUNE 2014 SOTM WINNER 2014 COLORADO PEOPLE'S CHOICE WINNER SOTM BUILD:http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/141656-wicks-e46-m3-build-bass-turbo-button-and-a-big-new-addition/page-68#entry2802026 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n8ball2013 Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Loudness is directly tied too distortion leave it off and accept that some songs are loouder than others Quote THERE IS NO BUILD LOG! 1998 Chevy Silverado ext cab Alpine CDA-9887 4 Team Fi 15s 2 Ampere Audio TFE 8.0 2 Ampere Audio 150.4 3 Digital Designs CS6.5 component sets Dual Mechman 370XP Elite alternators inbound! 8 XS Power d3400 6 XS power d680 Second Skin Stinger Tsunami Wiring Sky High A Real Voltmeter not a piece of shit stinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meade916 Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 sounds to me like some people still don't understand how the DD-1 or an o-scope for that matter works. 40hz and 1000hz are used as a REFERENCE. It is detecting distortion point of whatever component is in the chain.....has nothing to do with the frequency, it is just the ones we used for REFERENCE. Just like has been the industry standard for years. Just because we used 1000 and 40 does not mean you are going to go into distortion if you boost 500 a little bit. You will go into distortion when you "boost 500" TOO FAR simply because you took something that wasn't distorting, and made it distort, by boosting it. Just like using the loudness function. Boosting (too far) is bad no matter what method of setting gains you use, or what frequency you used. when you set your gains with EVERYTHING flat, it is OK to adjust your eq settings to your taste when done. When done correctly, you shouldn't have the urge to boost ANYTHING to the point of distortion because it should already sound better. Instead of compensating what you were "missing" with the eq, now your gains are finally set right and it shouldn't be as aweful, to make you want to boost a signal. So if you take the eq sliders, boost as LITTLE AS POSSIBLE.... and focus on CUTTING instead, you can still have a distortion free setup. but back to the original post - using boost will often add distortion so i don't use mine at all. Again, you will find no need for that once you set your gain on the bass amp PROPERLY for the first time in your life... Quote All SMD products + MORE available at my store here! https://wccaraudio.com/ Subscribe to My Youtube Channel! Over 1,000,000 subscribers strong! Turn on your notifications! http://www.youtube.com/meade916 Follow My Instagram! Daily live feeds from the shop, exclusive content way before it hits my Youtube channel...and little squares with photo's in them http://www.instagram.com/meade916 The Official SMD Facebook fan Page https://www.facebook.com/SteveMeadeDesigns/ Follow my Tweet (Twitter) http://www.Twitter.com/meade916 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meade916 Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 In a nutshell, you want to make sure that you are not driving your input signal past clipping. The DD-1 is a great tool to find your clipping point but its limited to only two frequency's. Therefore if you boost outside of those two frequency's, you run the risk of accidentally clipping. The best tools to absolutely guarantee that you're not clipping would be a frequency generator and an O-scope. With those, you could sweep the entire frequency band and monitor your output signal live and tell if your boosted settings are causing clipping. BUT that is rather expensive to do. distortion happens BEFORE clipping so ill take the DD-1 over an O-scope any day....even if my name wasn't on it. don't confuse people here. The DD-1 "works on two frequencies" only because those are the frequencies we reference on our disc. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the other frequencies that are played during actual use. you make it sound like "you are good to go at 40hz and 1000hz but fucked if you play anything else"....which is totally bogus. Other people seem to think that too, i have no idea why. Quote All SMD products + MORE available at my store here! https://wccaraudio.com/ Subscribe to My Youtube Channel! Over 1,000,000 subscribers strong! Turn on your notifications! http://www.youtube.com/meade916 Follow My Instagram! Daily live feeds from the shop, exclusive content way before it hits my Youtube channel...and little squares with photo's in them http://www.instagram.com/meade916 The Official SMD Facebook fan Page https://www.facebook.com/SteveMeadeDesigns/ Follow my Tweet (Twitter) http://www.Twitter.com/meade916 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicks Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 In a nutshell, you want to make sure that you are not driving your input signal past clipping. The DD-1 is a great tool to find your clipping point but its limited to only two frequency's. Therefore if you boost outside of those two frequency's, you run the risk of accidentally clipping. The best tools to absolutely guarantee that you're not clipping would be a frequency generator and an O-scope. With those, you could sweep the entire frequency band and monitor your output signal live and tell if your boosted settings are causing clipping. BUT that is rather expensive to do. distortion happens BEFORE clipping so ill take the DD-1 over an O-scope any day....even if my name wasn't on it. don't confuse people here. The DD-1 "works on two frequencies" only because those are the frequencies we reference on our disc. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the other frequencies that are played during actual use. you make it sound like "you are good to go at 40hz and 1000hz but fucked if you play anything else"....which is totally bogus. Other people seem to think that too, i have no idea why. Confusion not intended, sorry Sir. I am in no way implying that an O-scope is better then a DD-1. I have a DD-1 and love it. I also have access to a very nice O-scope as well and I always use the DD-1. The point I was trying to make was that it would be difficult to tell if you had distortion if your DD-1 was looking at 40Hz and you were boosting at another frequency at the same time or afterwards. There are a lot of people who suggest to tune the system with the EQ already set. I was just trying to explain how that could be troublesome. I absolutely agree to tune with the settings flat and go from there, cutting and not boosting. Quote This post sent with 100% recycled electrons. 2004 BMW M3Mechman 280A 2 - XS Power XP30001 - XS Power D375 500F of Maxwell SuperCaps (soon to be 1000F) iPadMini2Dash mounted O-scopeAudison bitOne (Remote DRC MP) Highs Amp - PPI Art A404 Hertz HSK130 (HSK165 waiting...) DC Audio DC9.0K 2- DC Audio XL12m2LEGAL - 147.3dB @ 41Hz OUTLAW - 150.2dB @ 45Hz OUTLAW - 145.7dB @ 30Hz JUNE 2014 SOTM WINNER 2014 COLORADO PEOPLE'S CHOICE WINNER SOTM BUILD:http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/141656-wicks-e46-m3-build-bass-turbo-button-and-a-big-new-addition/page-68#entry2802026 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twisted1 Posted August 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Pioneer 4300 dvd Focal k2 comps on rockerfosgate power 400.4 2 ssa gcon 10s on dc2k on 3 batteries. Shit sounds like someone talking threw a megaphone with loud off. Like no tweets an bass weak. Hit loud button then ir will sound great i check with dd1 an no distortion Quote 09 mustang gt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBleedMusick Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Pioneer 4300 dvd Focal k2 comps on rockerfosgate power 400.4 2 ssa gcon 10s on dc2k on 3 batteries. Shit sounds like someone talking threw a megaphone with loud off. Like no tweets an bass weak. Hit loud button then ir will sound great i check with dd1 an no distortion I think there may be an underlying problem man. There is no way with the list you're giving should the loudness make the system sound better. Hmmmm. Quote 2013 Dodge Charger Build Log 1996 Ford Explorer XLT 5.0Build Log 2005 Honda Civic LX Coupe Build Log SMD SUPER SELLER!!!!My Selling Feedback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicks Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Pioneer 4300 dvd Focal k2 comps on rockerfosgate power 400.4 2 ssa gcon 10s on dc2k on 3 batteries. Shit sounds like someone talking threw a megaphone with loud off. Like no tweets an bass weak. Hit loud button then ir will sound great i check with dd1 an no distortion I think there may be an underlying problem man. There is no way with the list you're giving should the loudness make the system sound better. Hmmmm. ^^Agreed. Your list of equipment should sound great with no Loud button or other boosting/tweaking. Have you started at the HU only with the DD-1 and worked your way down the system? Are the settings truly flat? Any other processing modes or features turned on? Do you have another HU to try instead of the 4300? Maybe even an iPod, just to utilize a clean signal. Quote This post sent with 100% recycled electrons. 2004 BMW M3Mechman 280A 2 - XS Power XP30001 - XS Power D375 500F of Maxwell SuperCaps (soon to be 1000F) iPadMini2Dash mounted O-scopeAudison bitOne (Remote DRC MP) Highs Amp - PPI Art A404 Hertz HSK130 (HSK165 waiting...) DC Audio DC9.0K 2- DC Audio XL12m2LEGAL - 147.3dB @ 41Hz OUTLAW - 150.2dB @ 45Hz OUTLAW - 145.7dB @ 30Hz JUNE 2014 SOTM WINNER 2014 COLORADO PEOPLE'S CHOICE WINNER SOTM BUILD:http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/141656-wicks-e46-m3-build-bass-turbo-button-and-a-big-new-addition/page-68#entry2802026 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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