New SUNDOWN amps - CAPPED monsters.

[sundownz]

The SAZ-5000D & the 6000D cost almost exactly the same amount -- the 6000D produces quite a bit more power on 12v than the 5000D. They aren't just a re-label ; things have been re-worked on the boards. It's hard to tell in the photos -- but alot of that is in the transformer windings; you will notice they are not identical from amp to amp in the photos above (since they are actual photos of each model). In this specific case (6000D) I was able to get some cost concessions from the factory so this model changed very little in price.

For instance... the SCV-6000D is now several tenths louder than an NS-1 v.2 on a 12v system. So it's actually an even better performer on 12v than our largest model now.

For a given board layout they are a bit more expensive than in the past ; but per actual wattage on 12v they are cheaper.

I haven't released the actual Dyno figures on the old SAZ line since they are discontinued (you cannot compare old clamp tests to the Dyno) -- but the SCV line are all significantly more powerful on a 12v system than the counterpart SAZ boards. Typically around 15% more powerful at normal voltages; with an even larger difference in more extreme voltage drop situations (e.g. most real cars that don't hold 13+ volts).

Given an oppurtunity I may do a complete round-up down the line as a reference... will have to round up some older models as we've sold them all out for the most part.

Edited December 28, 2014 by sundownz

[sundownz]

I notice above that WoofersEtc pricing on the OLD models is actually above our original MAP -- they do own the last remaining stock of many older models so they have adjusted their pricing to reflect that (obviously they own the inventory so they can charge more than MAP -- just not less). This also applies to some SCV models that we are sold out of at our warehouse.

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In any even these are the ACTUAL rates of change of pricing (below) -- and at each level there is an ACTUAL ~15% gain in power on 12v systems. The gain in power compared to cost change is best on the bigger models, naturally.

Here is the background -- I did a large analysis of every part of our business starting late 2013 through early 2014... spending several months on going over every expense, every aspect of fixed overhead, dealer program levels, dealer points, etc, etc... and arrived at the fact that the SAZ line wasn't working out in terms of ROI for us as a company or for many of our B&M dealers. Additionally as we have grown to more and more of a B&M dealer company -- a smaller % of our customers now take advatange of the 19v stability offered by the SAZ line.

So it was either cut the whole thing (e.g. Cut all Korean amplifiers) -- or rework the entire line to make it work for everyone -- at that point the SCV line came about after much deliberation and brain-storming; they are now where they need to be for us, our dealers, *AND* the customer actually gets more 12v power for their money, in a smaller package per watt, rather than just a price increase for the same thing. To me -- that is a win-win situation... customers and dealers alike have really been enjoying the new SCV amps.

Edited December 28, 2014 by sundownz

[Karkov]

Thanks for the info Sundown

[Miguels]

no doubt i would like the SCV line.. i was just going by your post saying they would be cheaper per watt but actually they cost just about the same.. still beast amps that i would like to get my hands on.. that SCV 6000 is what im interested on.. i really need a 5k amp but looks like it goes from 4k to 6k

Edited December 30, 2014 by Miguels

[sundownz]

no doubt i would like the SCV line.. i was just going by your post saying they would be cheaper per watt but actually they cost just about the same.. still beast amps that i would like to get my hands on.. that SCV 6000 is what im interested on.. i really need a 5k amp but looks like it goes from 4k to 6k

They are cheaper per watt -- as each one gains ~15% power and none of them cost 15% more. Savings is 2-10% per wattage depending on the model.

[Bump4life]

the internal components look very similar if not identical to dd amp components, at least the caps used . and now these are geared for 12 volts. hmm what is teh pricing? i shall look into this considering i am in teh market. hopefully the footprints are reasonable.

Edited December 30, 2014 by Bump4life

[sundownz]

the internal components look very similar if not identical to dd amp components, at least the caps used . and now these are geared for 12 volts. hmm what is teh pricing? i shall look into this considering i am in teh market. hopefully the footprints are reasonable.

I put pricing in Post #72 just a few posts up

[Bump4life]

the internal components look very similar if not identical to dd amp components, at least the caps used . and now these are geared for 12 volts. hmm what is teh pricing? i shall look into this considering i am in teh market. hopefully the footprints are reasonable.

I put pricing in Post #72 just a few posts up

i know i saw, thanks. it was more of a if price is good then i may be down. wasnt a direct question lol. sorry for confusion

[bentandbroken]

NEWB double post.

Edited December 30, 2014 by bentandbroken

[bentandbroken]

These new amps make me wonder If I would have been better of getting the SCV 2000 or even the 3000, instead of the SAZ 2500D v2... I wonder if I would get more or equal power out of between 12-14 volts with less strain on my electrical.