Attn: DD-1 users.

[MrSkippyJ]

some good things to remember there drew.

the DD-1 also didnt make DMMs and scopes useless like some people seem to believe.

as far as gains go, the DD-1 pretty much to their spots. But you will run into the same problems setting your gains with an o-scope that you will with the DD-1. Music can still be clipped regardless of how well you set your gains and levels.

Edited April 24, 2012 by MrSkippyJ

[meade916]

some good things to remember there drew.

the DD-1 also didnt make DMMs and scopes useless like some people seem to believe.

as far as gains go, the DD-1 pretty much to their spots. But you will run into the same problems setting your gains with an o-scope that you will with the DD-1. Neither will tell you what the music you are playing is doing.

You set the gains on the amps to match the maximum non-distorted power coming off the deck. That was the purpose of the gain from the day it was invented. If a song (itself) is a little bit dirty, i don't think its going to make that big of a difference, especially on the woofers. I think you guys are over thinking this a little too much. Knowing the decks maximum clean output and matching to the amps and adjusting the overlaps using the different tracks is the goal. -5, -10 db etc is there for gain overlaps not to over/undercompensate for a potential dirty song.

the dd-1 wont do everything, you still need to have a clue on what you are doing. You can still f**k your system up but the chances of doing that drop by 90% if you set the gains the way they were intended from the begining, even if you play dirty songs. According to you guys, everything i have ever played is "dirty" and "clipped" (the song itself) and i never seem to have problems. You should still know your systems limits and pay attention...especially if everything you have is overpowered, like a lot of people roll

[chrishova]

Subbed to the topic, I'm getting ready to re-rebuild!!!

[MrSkippyJ]

some good things to remember there drew.

the DD-1 also didnt make DMMs and scopes useless like some people seem to believe.

as far as gains go, the DD-1 pretty much to their spots. But you will run into the same problems setting your gains with an o-scope that you will with the DD-1. Neither will tell you what the music you are playing is doing.

You set the gains on the amps to match the maximum non-distorted power coming off the deck. That was the purpose of the gain from the day it was invented. If a song (itself) is a little bit dirty, i don't think its going to make that big of a difference, especially on the woofers. I think you guys are over thinking this a little too much. Knowing the decks maximum clean output and matching to the amps and adjusting the overlaps using the different tracks is the goal. -5, -10 db etc is there for gain overlaps not to over/undercompensate for a potential dirty song.

the dd-1 wont do everything, you still need to have a clue on what you are doing. You can still f**k your system up but the chances of doing that drop by 90% if you set the gains the way they were intended from the begining, even if you play dirty songs. According to you guys, everything i have ever played is "dirty" and "clipped" (the song itself) and i never seem to have problems. You should still know your systems limits and pay attention...especially if everything you have is overpowered, like a lot of people roll

That is what I tried to say. I didn't word it too well. I also left out TOOK in my post. I meant to say the DD-1 pretty much TOOK their spots as far as setting gains is concerned.

[meade916]

some good things to remember there drew.

the DD-1 also didnt make DMMs and scopes useless like some people seem to believe.

as far as gains go, the DD-1 pretty much to their spots. But you will run into the same problems setting your gains with an o-scope that you will with the DD-1. Neither will tell you what the music you are playing is doing.

You set the gains on the amps to match the maximum non-distorted power coming off the deck. That was the purpose of the gain from the day it was invented. If a song (itself) is a little bit dirty, i don't think its going to make that big of a difference, especially on the woofers. I think you guys are over thinking this a little too much. Knowing the decks maximum clean output and matching to the amps and adjusting the overlaps using the different tracks is the goal. -5, -10 db etc is there for gain overlaps not to over/undercompensate for a potential dirty song.

the dd-1 wont do everything, you still need to have a clue on what you are doing. You can still f**k your system up but the chances of doing that drop by 90% if you set the gains the way they were intended from the begining, even if you play dirty songs. According to you guys, everything i have ever played is "dirty" and "clipped" (the song itself) and i never seem to have problems. You should still know your systems limits and pay attention...especially if everything you have is overpowered, like a lot of people roll

That is what I tried to say. I didn't word it too well. I also left out TOOK in my post. I meant to say the DD-1 pretty much TOOK their spots as far as setting gains is concerned.

its all good man i was just adding on to what some of you were saying......and trying to explain why we use -5 and -10 tracks rather then 0db the whole way. Its all about the overlap. If you used 0db the entire way you are not going to get the most out of your system. If you want to use 0db all the way thats your choice i just don't recommend it

[Noobtastic14]

Thanks for the input Steve.

The meat and potatoes of it all is that the user is still in control and can still mess up even with a properly set gain. You should not make topics using the DD-1 as a defense, saying because a DD-1 was involved the user is removed from the equasion.

Goes back to the bus driver and the road to Dbs.

-Drew

[skittlesRgood]

some good things to remember there drew.

the DD-1 also didnt make DMMs and scopes useless like some people seem to believe.

for setting gains it did. I will never ever use an O-scope to set another gain in my life.....

of course you wont. its your product, you own one, its simple, and it works. but for someone who doesnt own one or cant afford it, the "old" way still works just like it did before. thousands of people have tuned with a DMM and didnt blow up a sub. thats all im saying.

[stevog]

some good things to remember there drew.

the DD-1 also didnt make DMMs and scopes useless like some people seem to believe.

for setting gains it did. I will never ever use an O-scope to set another gain in my life.....

of course you wont. its your product, you own one, its simple, and it works. but for someone who doesnt own one or cant afford it, the "old" way still works just like it did before. thousands of people have tuned with a DMM and didnt blow up a sub. thats all im saying.

the dmm method is not accurate at all. If you try to set the gain on an amp that is overated and you try to tune it to the watts it claims it will clip. And if you try it on a underated amp you won't get full output. Edited April 25, 2012 by stevog

[meade916]

some good things to remember there drew.

the DD-1 also didnt make DMMs and scopes useless like some people seem to believe.

for setting gains it did. I will never ever use an O-scope to set another gain in my life.....

of course you wont. its your product, you own one, its simple, and it works. but for someone who doesnt own one or cant afford it, the "old" way still works just like it did before. thousands of people have tuned with a DMM and didnt blow up a sub. thats all im saying.

even if it wasn't my product i would be saying it. The fact its being used in more then one manufacturer's training courses now and replacing the O-scope in the classroom (for proper gain setting, overlaps etc), i am not alone. Sure the oscope has its place, somewhere. For me, at the bottom of my tool box.

anyone who tunes with a DMM (to set gains) is wasting their time and FAR from accurate. You might as well guess.

[Noobtastic14]

Yeah I would not go comparing a DMM to a scope or DD-1

-Drew