Chode69 Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 did you break it in at all? if not then that can happen to cones when the suspension is too stiff and it causes the cone to fold like that...that or over excursion and unloading For 3-4 days. Just had the gain barely turned up hmmm weired. ive seen this happen before to an XL but they kid didnt break them in at all AND played a hella low note which caused that to happen Quote NoFearX18 said: Nick will bang just about anything.....LMAO....pun intended On 4/13/2010 at 9:51 AM, meade916 said: i was like DAMN, Chode is hardcore! he makes james look like a friendly person LOL! trainman0978 said: I dont know who is worse with the buttholes Chode or Big P... Team Deadly Hertz / Team DC Audio / Team XS Power 2010 DC AUDIO MEMBER OF THE YEAR!!! DuckretaryFEAR THE DUCK Durangho Chodes Blowthrough Build Youtube vids Muh Wife Need DC Audio? Hit me up for pricing!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja_v1.0 Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) In most cases I would say back presssure i.e. in my spl boxes at 2800 watts I fold cones like a champ hence the reason I glass the cones so I can take advantage of the 7k+ the box is capable of generating. In this instance (I could be wrong) the box appears to be to big causing over excursion and stressing the cone until it gives out. The dustcap is a good indicator of this as well as the stress marks(creases) on the cone. If your feeling adventerous you could glass matt the cone and glue surround back to it and of course gorilla tape the surround. My best advice would be to recone the sub then adjust the ssf up some to limit power to the sub as its fairly clear to me that its at its mechanical limits in that box. He said 412 CVX designed the box. 412 CVX is pretty good about designing to specs of the woofer. Unless OP altered specs or asked for bigger box? I firmly believe it should be within range. I would take your comment with a grain of salt. Wasn't he the same one that had the 4th order that did the EXACT same thing as this sub minus the crease in the cone? I'm pretty damn sure it was him. But we will go by your comment that hes pretty good about designing to specs.. I'll take that just as much as i would take a sealed box with 45's in the corner.. Edited July 12, 2012 by sensai_v3.6 1 Quote When your at the top everyone is coming for you, friends, family, haters and even those who don't know you.. my advice.. KILL EM ALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja_v1.0 Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 i also know hes not supposed to be charging for designs here as well.. I would really hate to do some digging and find out that he is in fact selling designs on the forum. Remember when I strike I kill. You think n8 has skillz, there is a reason why I stay in the shadows! Quote When your at the top everyone is coming for you, friends, family, haters and even those who don't know you.. my advice.. KILL EM ALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballen194 Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 In most cases I would say back presssure i.e. in my spl boxes at 2800 watts I fold cones like a champ hence the reason I glass the cones so I can take advantage of the 7k+ the box is capable of generating. In this instance (I could be wrong) the box appears to be to big causing over excursion and stressing the cone until it gives out. The dustcap is a good indicator of this as well as the stress marks(creases) on the cone. If your feeling adventerous you could glass matt the cone and glue surround back to it and of course gorilla tape the surround. My best advice would be to recone the sub then adjust the ssf up some to limit power to the sub as its fairly clear to me that its at its mechanical limits in that box. He said 412 CVX designed the box. 412 CVX is pretty good about designing to specs of the woofer. Unless OP altered specs or asked for bigger box? I firmly believe it should be within range. I would take your comment with a grain of salt. Wasn't he the same one that had the 4th order that did the EXACT same thing as this sub minus the crease in the cone? I'm pretty damn sure it was him. But we will go by your comment that hes pretty good about designing to specs.. I'll take that just as much as i would take a sealed box with 45's in the corner.. I'm not just talking out my ass. I have experience with his designs and recheck just for the hell of it and its right on. I'm just stating he knows what he's doing from personal experience. Take my comment as you want but I know for sure he's reputable. As for a 4th order doing the same thing I have no idea. Never heard of it from him. Maybe maybe not. Quote 98 Isuzu Rodeo Pioneer Deh-6300ub SUBS*Upcoming* SSA Xcon 18 4th order AMP Banda 3500 Mids/Highs Pioneer EQ Clarion EQS746 ETC. Two 1/0 run's KnuKoncepts 1/0 big 3 Shuriken BT-100 under the hood Shuriken BT-120 in the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassface Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Wow if just playing them really did do this that sucks. Those cones blew out like they were made out of rice paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettedude102 Posted July 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 This is definitely not to put down 412 cvx. He's a great guy and I would hate to be the reason for him to get in trouble. Quote 2 polk audio 4x6'skenwood head-unit 220 amp Mechman alt1979 Corvette 2003 corvette z06 alpine radio and the bose system that came stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will77530 Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 412 designed you a spec box nothing wrong with that but once you start over powering subs the box needs to shrink plain and simple. there is more to enclosure design than entering measurements into a program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodzyspl Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 i wrecked my brand spanking new level 6 recone on my ssxxx...i didn't wear it in, just let it rip with the 9k at 18v and .5ohm =/ lesson learnt lol it fryed the coil, but only other day as i cut it up i noticed a lil crease on the cone, may have been me who put it there tho not 100% sure but i never new how tight them spiders are on the level 6...is th 5 like that lol Quote AUSTRALIA do i need say more? HU: some crap pionee AMP: dc 9k @ 18v SUB: 4 elevation audio sqx 12" Battery: 2 neuton power 8200d burp setup for fun 152's soon to come: rebuilt soundstream xxx (2 18" OR 3 15" wall) Bunch speakers, more batts and new HU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDrifter Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 How does breaking in the suspension affect the cone? The suspension will change how quickly/forcefully the cone will return to center, but how can that cause it to tear on the surround? Quote ~~~~~~~~SAY NO TO PHOTOBUCKET~~~~~~~~ Snow's DD-1 tracks here: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/167433-snows-dd-1-tracks/ My take on OFC vs CCA: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/110381-things-that-piss-you-off-in-the-car-audio-world/?do=findComment&comment=2461444 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDrifter Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 How does breaking in the suspension affect the cone? The suspension will change how quickly/forcefully the cone will return to center, but how can that cause it to tear on the surround? Quote ~~~~~~~~SAY NO TO PHOTOBUCKET~~~~~~~~ Snow's DD-1 tracks here: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/167433-snows-dd-1-tracks/ My take on OFC vs CCA: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/110381-things-that-piss-you-off-in-the-car-audio-world/?do=findComment&comment=2461444 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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