2k6d Vs. Saz3000d

[B Slaps]

x3 and yea keep it coo. no knockin people nor brands on here.

that guy needs to not post on this thread. just cause he likes one guy more than the other.

KICK ROCKS DOOD DONT POST HERE

[Torres]

by the way from the *** guys i was quoted $859 for brand new.

WOOT i must've gotten a deal :D

[ISO]

I think that you are correct about Alan. He is really on his own level when it comes to posting on forums. Now I'm not sure how much is shit talking VS language barrier.

I have no vested interest in either amp. However as well can say at one point about any amp, which is a better bang for my buck? Which one will stay together? which one will fall on it's ass? which one is a better choice for me?

Wouldn't of it been nice to get some real side by side comparison between to comparable brands when you were shopping for an amp? For some, maybe no. But I can tell you there are plenty of people on the fence when it come to deciding one over the other ( no matter the brand)

I would like to see this as one of many head to head tests.

Kingsuv wouldn't a real test take a month worth of everyday use at rated nominal ohm load per amp to find out how Worth a shit each amp is?

I think so!

[kingsuv]

Kingsuv wouldn't a real test take a month worth of everyday use at rated nominal ohm load per amp to find out how Worth a shit each amp is?

I think so!

Sure, a long term test would be nice.

I'm more then confident that we can get a bunch of usefull info out of a short term run.

You can look at any of my videos and see that I'm not nice to my equipment in the lanes

[sundownz]

IMO... a test in one day isn't much of a test for what a customer will do to an amp.

The best test I can think up off hand would be to run the amps clamped at 100% of full output on a consistent bass track (I use track 17 on bass mekanik 5.0 on my test bench) to examine the thermal ability of an amp at its full output potential. Hopefully your subs will handle that much strain.

It is a different story to say you run a 3000 watt amp daily than to actually utilize a full 3000 watts from the amp daily. IMO, many people that have these huge amps don't even tap their potential daily - but those that do may have a different experience. I know if I had a 3000 watt amp in my car it would probably never see much over 1000 watts driving around - so could *I* say that my amp does great daily for everyone based on my experience ? Not really, because maybe if someone actually used the amp for every ounce of power that it was good for constantly they wouldn't have such great results.

I think that this is the case with most people that report great "daily" results from most huge amps - and I'm sure some amp designers take advantage of knowing that a customer will rarely drive a 3000 - 7000 watt amp into full output for anything but a short burst in SPL competition. In fact, it's built into the fusing of several "new" amps... the new guys, SoundDigital, have even stated that their amp requires a larger fuse for consistent full output and that the fuse recommendation is only for music - which seldom ever reaches the full output potential of an amp.

Two different philosophies of design I suppose. If the customer is happy then thats okay whatever product they want to run, IMO.

[rollin]

ok Ill throw in my .02.

lets see what the 2 amps do in a real life application. since there are kids that scrape and save every penny to buy the best power that they can on this forum. I think that having kingsuv offer a non bias test (since he has no vested interest in either company) is one way to see if the amps do what they claim.

[ALPINE408]

ok Ill throw in my .02.

lets see what the 2 amps do in a real life application. since there are kids that scrape and save every penny to buy the best power that they can on this forum. I think that having kingsuv offer a non bias test (since he has no vested interest in either company) is one way to see if the amps do what they claim.

also i think us stetsom guys and sundown guys should just sit back and watch the test!

not be involed keeping it unbias

you down to do all the testing kingsuv??

[kingsuv]

IMO... a test in one day isn't much of a test for what a customer will do to an amp.

The best test I can think up off hand would be to run the amps clamped at 100% of full output on a consistent bass track (I use track 17 on bass mekanik 5.0 on my test bench) to examine the thermal ability of an amp at its full output potential. Hopefully your subs will handle that much strain.

It is a different story to say you run a 3000 watt amp daily than to actually utilize a full 3000 watts from the amp daily. IMO, many people that have these huge amps don't even tap their potential daily - but those that do may have a different experience. I know if I had a 3000 watt amp in my car it would probably never see much over 1000 watts driving around - so could *I* say that my amp does great daily for everyone based on my experience ? Not really, because maybe if someone actually used the amp for every ounce of power that it was good for constantly they wouldn't have such great results.

I think that this is the case with most people that report great "daily" results from most huge amps - and I'm sure some amp designers take advantage of knowing that a customer will rarely drive a 3000 - 7000 watt amp into full output for anything but a short burst in SPL competition. In fact, it's built into the fusing of several "new" amps... the new guys, SoundDigital, have even stated that their amp requires a larger fuse for consistent full output and that the fuse recommendation is only for music - which seldom ever reaches the full output potential of an amp.

Two different philosophies of design I suppose. If the customer is happy then thats okay whatever product they want to run, IMO.

Your absolutely right.

I have 10K in the back of the wifes truck that sits idle about 99% of the time, and even when bumpin around town is pushing 500-800watts. I've clamped it to see exactly what I'm doing daily.

People that say they are pushing 3000w daily either like to blow their shit up or are full of it. Any high power amp will have issues over long periods of time whether from the amp, subs, or electrical.

I think a good full tilt for say a bassrace type run or a demo will says a lot about the amp. I plan to run it like I would at a show giving demos or when I'm by myself in the truck beating down the street, Hard and long. I'm confident with the amount of subs I have that I can dissipate the heat throughout all of them to not have to worry about them being the weak point in the tests. I think with each amp getting to push up to 8 subs is far less power then I have put to them in the past.

[Team Bassick Joey]

Your absolutely right.

I have 10K in the back of the wifes truck that sits idle about 99% of the time, and even when bumpin around town is pushing 500-800watts. I've clamped it to see exactly what I'm doing daily.

People that say they are pushing 3000w daily either like to blow their shit up or are full of it. Any high power amp will have issues over long periods of time whether from the amp, subs, or electrical.

I think a good full tilt for say a bassrace type run or a demo will says a lot about the amp. I plan to run it like I would at a show giving demos or when I'm by myself in the truck beating down the street, Hard and long. I'm confident with the amount of subs I have that I can dissipate the heat throughout all of them to not have to worry about them being the weak point in the tests. I think with each amp getting to push up to 8 subs is far less power then I have put to them in the past.

So hoe are you going to do this? The Devil is in the Details!!!

Car on.... Car off... How many Batteries? are those batteries strong enough to bump it for 5 min and then switch amps and get the same output (Voltage)?

[kingsuv]

I really see the test as this.

I feel we as the enthusiasts, experts, reps, dealers competitors have somewhat of a responsibility to help educate the younger people. Back before the internet, you had to go to a retail shop and buy your gear. At some point in that transaction, there was the voice of reason. The voice that said hey you need to this to get that, or you need this for that to work. In todays world, there is none of that. anybody can go out and buy say a RFT4000 install it using 8G wire and say they have 4000w amp. The problem with that is, others see that and think that they have done it so they must know. So they believe that whatever Mr. RF with 8G wire to be the truth.

We as the people in the know have forgotten what it was like to be a noob. All to many time we tell the new guys to "go on the web and read up about" well thats fine, but lets look at all the bullshit on the net these days, If you don't already know someone is blowing smoke then you can get sucked into lies, myths, Bullshit, or don't knows. We have all heard the phrase " I got a buddy"

All too many times people will do the quick clif notes and become the experts. They will take that one little nugget of info and regurgitate it to their friends to be the knowable person in there circle. Well that circle is a whole lot bigger with the internet. Pretty soon someone has a bunch of nuggets of "info" and they try to pass of as experts, the more they think they know, the more they get accepted as someone in the know.

All too often you have someone who knows their shit do test. Which is good, however there a huge part left out. Sure they do their testing but there not telling you all the time they put into a box, they forget to mention the 10 runs of 0G wire from that 1 super expensive battery and that 500 alt. Most if not all I have seen have been burp tests, thats fine if you burp.

So lets this back to the street. Lets take that real world and put it into the test. Lets show what you are to expect to see out of an amp when your 17 and had to mow lawns all summer to buy one of these amps. Lets show a perfect test in an imperfect install. Lets assume that Joe kid has read just enough to spend money and get himself in trouble.

I'm sure if I worked with both amps, subs, ohms, box, and battery that I could get one louder then the other. And truly show these amps a race cars that people have made them into. Thats not what this is about.

This is about dropping an amp into the back of a car with a few drywall screws and a prefab box. That is the people that we need to educate. That is who this test is for.

I have faith that both stetsom and sundown will perform well. Question is, who's better in the street? Who deserves the lawn mowing money?