Why I Hate Barack Obama, Liberals And People In General.

[Namosh]

I didnt like your answer because because you failed to say anything about the "nuke" subject once I mentioned Iran and North Korea. Since we are friends with Russia and Vladimir Putin, should we be hanging out at the ranch with Kim Jong il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ..... I mean they got nukes, and I am pretty sure they are more eager to use them than Putin is......

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Russia is a genuine nuclear threat so of course a little diplomacy is needed. What is your point about North Korea? They don't have nukes (yet), and when did the previous administration ever shake the "dear leader's " hand?

Iran doesn't have nukes either (yet) and I don't recall Bush ever bowing to Ahmadinejad .

These states need to be dealt with the only way they understand, like it or not. They will either be bribed with international aid (and still continue their nuclear programs in secret) or it will have to come to a military confrontation.

Either way, I'm done with this subject. Go ahead and come back with some classless remark like Airborne did if you want. I won't respond to it either.

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The mod team ( from what they told us in the pinned topic ) debated this area for quite some time before setting it up. Politics is what it is. [b]People have very strong feelings about what they believe is best for our country[/b]. We are all Patriots, and we all want the American dream, talking about it though, tends to lead to some mud slinging. It doesnt matter where you go on the internet to discuss it, it will be the same type of back and forth.... Debating is a very healthy thing, and things will only change if there is a way for views to be expressed in a manner that allows open communication, and a chance for both sides to put their thoughts on the table. This is how he political machine operates.

I think the pinned topic had a line in it to the effect of " If you don't like it, change the channel "

I for one am open to hear others opinion's.... who knows, maybe my mind will change... I doubt it, but I try to keep a open mind....

It's not our country anymore. Its been taken over by every other country there is, and they live among us and we bow to them. They come from south of the border, and from other countrys abroad as well. They get better treatment than every US Citizen there is other than the coverment (Goverment). OBAMA will not be President for 4 years he will become a dictator and finsh running this country in the ground.

P.S. Stop trickle up Poverty...

Obama = One Big Ass Mistake America

[Sable Nave]

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Russia is a genuine nuclear threat so of course a little diplomacy is needed. What is your point about North Korea? They don't have nukes (yet), and when did the previous administration ever shake the "dear leader's " hand?

Iran doesn't have nukes either (yet) and I don't recall Bush ever bowing to Ahmadinejad .

These states need to be dealt with the only way they understand, like it or not. They will either be bribed with international aid (and still continue their nuclear programs in secret) or it will have to come to a military confrontation.

Either way, I'm done with this subject. Go ahead and come back with some classless remark like Airborne did if you want. I won't respond to it either.

Okay, how do you know whether Iran or North Korea has nukes? Have you been checking, or are you going off of the presumption that everything you hear on the "Liberal Media" is real? Do you honestly think if they had nukes they would tell the United States? http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/public/style_emoticons/default/01nocomment8so.gif

It's not our country anymore. Its been taken over by every other country there is, and they live among us and we bow to them. They come from south of the border, and from other COUNTRIES abroad as well. They get better treatment than every US Citizen there is other than the coverment (Goverment). OBAMA will not be President for 4 years he will become a dictator and "FINISH" running this country in the ground.

P.S. Stop trickle up Poverty...

Obama = One Big Ass Mistake America

Yep, you know it. We've sure as fuck been taken over. Yeah, lets bring up immigration and blame it on Obama, yeah, that is really his problem. Yep, he will sure as shit be a dictator, and it will be run into the ground. I love how you and others think that the country is just going to go to hell with no basis to base this opinion.

Yeah, this is "trickle up Poverty" alright, we are giving so much money to the lower class, you are laughable... What do you call the Stimulus packages that were started when Bush was in Presidency? http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/public/style_emoticons/default/01nocomment8so.gif

[The Performer]

Yep, you know it. We've sure as fuck been taken over. Yeah, lets bring up immigration and blame it on Obama, yeah, that is really his problem. Yep, he will sure as shit be a dictator, and it will be run into the ground. I love how you and others think that the country is just going to go to hell with no basis to base this opinion.

I believe our country is going to shit.

I base my opinion on 53% of Americans.

That's a hell of alot of proof.

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By the way, SOUNDFX your post was excellent my friend.

[trainman0978]

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Russia is a genuine nuclear threat so of course a little diplomacy is needed. What is your point about North Korea? They don't have nukes (yet), and when did the previous administration ever shake the "dear leader's " hand?

Iran doesn't have nukes either (yet) and I don't recall Bush ever bowing to Ahmadinejad .

These states need to be dealt with the only way they understand, like it or not. They will either be bribed with international aid (and still continue their nuclear programs in secret) or it will have to come to a military confrontation.

Either way, I'm done with this subject. Go ahead and come back with some classless remark like Airborne did if you want. I won't respond to it either.

A little Diplomacy? Standing by while Russia goes on full attack into Georgia, destroying cities and killing people, basically because Georgia refuses to bow down to Putin. Yet this is okay, for the sake of a little diplomacy? We have bombed countries for less than this before.... Now, Iran and North Korea... North Korea put on a good little show a while back and let cameras in to show they were neutralizing their plutonium and Uranium stores.... Yet if you remember, the cameras got kicked out before it was all finished. If they have the stuff stored properly, and they refuse to prove that they are "just" using it to make nuclear power plants a reality, what makes you think they dont have the actual nukes ready to fire. Remember , they were allies with China for a very long time, and they are still on pretty good terms with them to this day. I would think Nukes are a damn good possibility, Yet, nobody in North Korea is trying to invade a little country one-twentieth its size .... yet we still find the need to toss around Kim Jong il's name like he is the next Hitler or something.... so far, he is just a wackadoo that wears odd clothes and is a die hard last man standing for his cause ...besides The leaders of Cuba... Communism is dead, and North Korea is still , most likely, harboring nukes. I cant see any difference in him and the more dangerous, power hungry leader of a much more powerful nation that wants to be a full blown dictator. They both fall into the same basket in my eyes. If you show diplomacy to one, why not both? so no, W. never shook the dear leader's hand, but he should have if he was okay with Putin.

Then we have Iran... I am a little weak here, I will admit, so based on what sketchy bits I have seen in the news lately, The president of Iran is scum. No argument there, but once again, They have nuclear capability, and hell, we invaded Iraq for less than that, didn't we? ( WMDs anyone? ) So tell me what is the difference here than say, Sadam? Or Putin? Putin is killing off people, shutting down newspapers and television stations that speak out against him. Iran's president is now demanding we apologize for misleading the world about him and his country... Then they went and launched a satellite which many think, may be a sign of " nuclear ambitions " ..... and then there is this guy popping off at the mouth about Israel being Racists.... He is a pretty fucked up guy, no doubt.... but he is willing to extend the olive branch and talk to the U.S. .....and is he really that much different that Putin? But since Putin has nukes, oh, and we share a space station with him , we gotta keep it cool? whatever man. If you are gonna be cool with one nuke owner, you gotta be cool with all of them. That is how you keep the uranium from being enriched into bomb ingredients, and that is how you show the world that if we got them, we are okay with someone else having them too.....

so I ask again, If Putin has nukes, What is so different about him than these other two guys and their contries?

It's not our country anymore. Its been taken over by every other country there is, and they live among us and we bow to them. They come from south of the border, and from other countrys abroad as well. They get better treatment than every US Citizen there is other than the coverment (Goverment). OBAMA will not be President for 4 years he will become a dictator and finsh running this country in the ground.

P.S. Stop trickle up Poverty...

Obama = One Big Ass Mistake America

I kind od agree with part of what you say here. We are a country of imports and very few exports. This REALLY need to change. We need to have our troops guarding our borders, we need to bring our factories back to US soil ( even if it means... wait for it.... a " democrat " says it .... Lower the corporate tax rate !!! ) and get the unemployed americans back to making a living off of working and spending money on american made goods.... The irony ( well, technically , hipocracy ) here is, I do drive a toyota, and most of the electronics I own were built overseas...

And yes, immigrants and foreign prsioners get better social services than most americn born citizens. But give us time, we democrats are working on that by socialiazation....HAHAHA!!!!

I do however think that your statement about Obama becoming a dictator is just a tad bit unfounded and kinda baseless... and makes no sense what so ever.

[Airborne]

A little Diplomacy? Standing by while Russia goes on full attack into Georgia, destroying cities and killing people, basically because Georgia refuses to bow down to Putin. Yet this is okay, for the sake of a little diplomacy? We have bombed countries for less than this before.... Now, Iran and North Korea... North Korea put on a good little show a while back and let cameras in to show they were neutralizing their plutonium and Uranium stores.... Yet if you remember, the cameras got kicked out before it was all finished. If they have the stuff stored properly, and they refuse to prove that they are "just" using it to make nuclear power plants a reality, what makes you think they dont have the actual nukes ready to fire. Remember , they were allies with China for a very long time, and they are still on pretty good terms with them to this day. I would think Nukes are a damn good possibility, Yet, nobody in North Korea is trying to invade a little country one-twentieth its size .... yet we still find the need to toss around Kim Jong il's name like he is the next Hitler or something.... so far, he is just a wackadoo that wears odd clothes and is a die hard last man standing for his cause ...besides The leaders of Cuba... Communism is dead, and North Korea is still , most likely, harboring nukes. I cant see any difference in him and the more dangerous, power hungry leader of a much more powerful nation that wants to be a full blown dictator. They both fall into the same basket in my eyes. If you show diplomacy to one, why not both? so no, W. never shook the dear leader's hand, but he should have if he was okay with Putin.

Then we have Iran... I am a little weak here, I will admit, so based on what sketchy bits I have seen in the news lately, The president of Iran is scum. No argument there, but once again, They have nuclear capability, and hell, we invaded Iraq for less than that, didn't we? ( WMDs anyone? ) So tell me what is the difference here than say, Sadam? Or Putin? Putin is killing off people, shutting down newspapers and television stations that speak out against him. Iran's president is now demanding we apologize for misleading the world about him and his country... Then they went and launched a satellite which many think, may be a sign of " nuclear ambitions " ..... and then there is this guy popping off at the mouth about Israel being Racists.... He is a pretty fucked up guy, no doubt.... but he is willing to extend the olive branch and talk to the U.S. .....and is he really that much different that Putin? But since Putin has nukes, oh, and we share a space station with him , we gotta keep it cool? whatever man. If you are gonna be cool with one nuke owner, you gotta be cool with all of them. That is how you keep the uranium from being enriched into bomb ingredients, and that is how you show the world that if we got them, we are okay with someone else having them too.....

so I ask again, If Putin has nukes, What is so different about him than these other two guys and their contries?

I kind od agree with part of what you say here. We are a country of imports and very few exports. This REALLY need to change. We need to have our troops guarding our borders, we need to bring our factories back to US soil ( even if it means... wait for it.... a " democrat " says it .... Lower the corporate tax rate !!! ) and get the unemployed americans back to making a living off of working and spending money on american made goods.... The irony ( well, technically , hipocracy ) here is, I do drive a toyota, and most of the electronics I own were built overseas...

And yes, immigrants and foreign prsioners get better social services than most americn born citizens. But give us time, we democrats are working on that by socialiazation....HAHAHA!!!!

I do however think that your statement about Obama becoming a dictator is just a tad bit unfounded and kinda baseless... and makes no sense what so ever.

Makes them feel self righteous though. A room full of right wing know-it-alls can come up with some almost believable shit if you give them enough talk radio fodder.

[Rogers]

i personally think instead of giving AIG hundred of billions of dollars why not give all the working tax payers even $100,000?

we could in turn pay off all of our credit cards ( most of us ), our car notes, our houses, and most of the stuff we have had financed for a few years.

thats my opinion

time for my official opinnion!... i think you hit the nail right on the head!.... we are in a recession, americans are tapped out... we need to start spending to get this country out of the hole its in... but our creditcards are maxed out, and we are over our heads in loans.... now obviously people disagreed with your point, but i believe the government needs to kick into emergency mode and give the hard working american citizens a large untaxed amount of money to pay off their debts, or they should just forgive all debts and start us out with a clean slate again.... sure it will increase inflation... but at this point i dont think its going to matter... the value of our dollar isnt worth shit anyways.... if we were out of debt we would start spending again and our economy would rise out of this recession... sure it would eventually fall agian but this solution would be an immediate solution to the problem... and would give the government a few decades to set forth better plans for the economy....they will proble fuck it up agian but it will keep us living for awhile.... i think a major downfall if you know what i mean, is inevitable.... but the more we can postpone a war between ourselves the more we can get on with life....

so before i get too indepth im going to shut up.... this is just something for you guys to think about....

[grizzleyadams69]

I believe our country is going to shit.

I base my opinion on 53% of Americans.

That's a hell of alot of proof.

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By the way, SOUNDFX your post was excellent my friend.

gonna have to disagree with you on that. most people dont know wtf theyre talking about so i dont give 2 shits about that. besides, obamas approval rating is at 65%. anyways, if he hadnt bailed everyone out thats been bailed out, wed be WAY more fucked than what we are now, or what we will be. chrysler, GM, AIG and all the others banks would have fallen. do u understand the domino affect of what that would have caused? the housing industry and automotive industry is the backbone of our country. nobody wants to defy capatalism, but nobody wants to lose their job either. and everyone is starting to realize that if we dont bail out the backbone of our country, everything else will for sure fail. not trying to bash, but get your fuckin heads out of your asses. obamas doing a way better job than what bush did for us, and mccain wouldnt be helping us either. id rather be socialist for a while than end up only being able to buy a rice burner cause thats all that would be on the market. fuck that.

[grizzleyadams69]

I do not want it to seem like I am pointing a finger simply at you. What I am saying is Liberals tend to only listen to what a biased media says and will not listen to anything from a conservative point of view. I do not insult liberal views per se, I am insulting the way of viewing things. Not all liberals are that way. There are plent of conservative democrats just as there are liberal republicans. Everyone has the right to believe in what they want but we as americans also have rights and foundations this country was built on and for all that to be CHANGED or taken away is wrong.

I respect your views and you unlike some of my own friends will talk. With my own friends it is a shouting match and they will not listen to my point of view, that is why I say one sided liberals. They want nothing to do with conservatism.

you sir are retarded. can u honestly say that you know 150ish MILLION people individually to say they ALL only listen to the media and never listen to conservatives? do u think liberals just immediately shut the tv off when they hear and old white guy talking politics? wanna hear my view on abortion? i think its fucked up to kill an unborn child. but guess what, if fuckin sally sue 2000 miles away from me in california gets an abortion, ITS NONE OF MY FUCKING BUSINESS. why do u think u should have a decision that has nothing to do with you? thats like me walking over to my drug addict neighbors house and saying, hey, i never talk to you and your life doesnt affect me in any way whatsoever, but im going to call the police on you for doing illegal drugs. mind your own business. if someone wants to kill their unborn child, fine, let them. or since im just a stupid liberal that doesnt listen to anything, i guess its safe to assume you are an old, white catholic man. do you think i should have the right to walk my ass over to your house and tell you how to raise your family or what color your car should be or how many times a day you should bang your wife? no. i shouldnt. because it has nothing to do with me. you should live your own life and stop trying to control other people. its fucked up. go smoke a blunt and chill the fuck out. u need it.

[grizzleyadams69]

and to whoever said its bill clintons fault for americans buying homes they cant afford, you are also an idiot. thats like me saying, o well its all george w bush's fault for not going back and outlawing it. its not bill clinton's fault. the fault should be placed on the people who did it to themselves and the banks for approving it. a house is a life long investment, the fact that people didnt sit down and look at how much they make and then look at how big of a house payment they were gonna have every month and realize whether they could or could not afford it makes me sick. even worse, professional bankers thought it would be okay too. the people did it to themselves, bill clinton did not put it on them.