AA Havov Vs. Sundown Z v.2

[VOPA]

I will be using a saz3500 per pair. Going with the 15's. I have my own opinions based on the specs, but i want some more opinions from the vast pool of knowledge on the forums. The Havocs are certainly cheaper, but I dont mind too much. I bet the Z's are better for spl, but the havocs play deep effortlessly. The more powerfull motor allows the Z to work in a smaller box. The havocs cone is dead sexy, but the Z motor dominates the stock looking motor on the Havoc.

[AI James]

well considering the havoc isnt build for the same purpose as the z2 of course it wont be as SPL oriented. also its a 1250rms sub running 1750 on each one isnt exactly recommended

[VOPA]

Both subs are referred to as SQL subs.... This coming from the manufacturers. I have heard the Havocs numerous times and I like them, but I have had little experience with any sundown subs. I know how to use power. I can't tell you the last time I burnt a sub.

[AI James]

well your first post makes me doubt that, since a more powerful motor doesnt just equal a smaller box.

[sundownz]

Also -- the Z v.2 was updated a bit with a copper 4-layer bifilar coil for a bit lower FS and about 12% more BL^2/RE

In my testing there was no loss in SPL at typical end-user levels from the additional mass but I gained 0.3 dB above 6000 watts on burps.

More durable coil as well... lower expansion ratio of copper in the tight gap helps as well.

[EricR]

Havoc vs Zv2 is no comparison. With 3500w a pair of Zv2's will likely be louder in the correct enclosure.

[sundownz]

Also... based on the specs available on the AA site (assuming that the BL is with coils in series) the Z v.2 with copper coil has about 75% more motor force factor (BL^2/RE) -- so they are quite different woofers in design principle.

Z v.2 motor force factor is not as high as the Mayhem from AA, nor is the suspension as stiff -- so it's a bit in between the Havoc and the Mayhem overall spec-wise.

Edited July 17, 2010 by sundownz

[VOPA]

well your first post makes me doubt that, since a more powerful motor doesnt just equal a smaller box.

What exactly are you saying?

I dont have a problem buying both and doing my own comparo if that is what it takes, but I prefer not to. The are no specs, pictures, or spl results that would indicate which sub i would like better. I was looking more for real world testimony. I was bored and havent seen much talk of either these... if nothing else, I thought I could at least get a bunch of fans talking up what they have and use.

Yes, I am certain that the "larger motor" on the Z will allow it to be optimized in a smaller box than the havoc. I am wrong? Is that what you are saying?

[tristan560]

Yes thats what james is referring to. Larger motor doesn't mean smaller box...

[bigbodylexus]

Okay I don't have all the technical knowledge like Jacob does (he's the Mad Scientist of SPL, what can I say) what I do know is that my next pair of subs will be the Zv.2 subs. I have the SA-12's know and I was not disappointed at all. I have been to a few shows and I have taken nothing less than 3rd place. So I'm expecting big things from the Z v.2 12's and since you're doing 15's those will be monsters.