Government Issued GPS trackers

[Mr. Darkjustice]

i came across this and it made me go WTF.

http://news.yahoo.co...wpphu-container

"By holding that this kind of surveillance doesn't impair an individual's reasonable expectation of privacy, the panel hands the government the power to track the movements of every one of us, every day of our lives," wrote Alex Kozinski, the chief judge of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, in a blistering dissent in which a three-judge panel from his court ruled that search warrants weren't necessary for GPS tracking.

Law enforcement advocates for the devices say GPS can eliminate time-consuming stakeouts and old-fashioned "tails" with unmarked police cars. The technology had a starring role in the HBO cops-and-robbers series "The Wire" and police use it to track every type of suspect — from terrorist to thieves stealing copper from air conditioners.

That investigators don't need a warrant to use GPS tracking devices in California troubles privacy advocates, technophiles, criminal defense attorneys and others.

The federal appeals court based in Washington D.C. said in August that investigators must obtain a warrant for GPS in tossing out the conviction and life sentence of Antoine Jones, a nightclub owner convicted of operating a cocaine distribution ring. That court concluded that the accumulation of four-weeks worth of data collected from a GPS on Jones' Jeep amounted to a government "search" that required a search warrant.

"First, unlike one's movements during a single journey, the whole of one's movements over the course of a month is not actually exposed to the public because the likelihood anyone will observe all those movements is effectively nil," Ginsburg wrote. The state high courts of New York, Washington and Oregon have ruled similarly.

The Obama administration last month asked the D.C. federal appeals court to change its ruling, calling the decision "vague and unworkable" and arguing that investigators will lose access to a tool they now use "with great frequency. In his dissent, Chief Judge Kozinski noted that GPS technology is far different from tailing a suspect on a public road, which requires the active participation of investigators.

"The devices create a permanent electronic record that can be compared, contrasted and coordinated to deduce all manner of private information about individuals," Kozinksi wrote.

George Washington University law professor Orin Kerr said the issue boils down to public vs. private. As long as the GPS devices are attached to vehicles on public roads, Kerr believes the U.S. Supreme Court will decide no warrant is needed. To decide otherwise, he said, would ignore a long line of previous 4th Amendment decisions allowing for warrantless searches as long as they're conducted on public property.

"The historic line is that public surveillance is not covered by the 4th Amendment," Kerr said.

id be beyond pissed to find one on my car cause they THINK im doin somethin or that i might. thats complete bullshit. how would you feel if this was goin on with you and you had no idea?

[mbdblue]

i came across this and it made me go WTF.

http://news.yahoo.co...wpphu-container

id be beyond pissed to find one on my car cause they THINK im doin somethin or that i might. thats complete bullshit. how would you feel if this was goin on with you and you had no idea?

yeah I heard about this too....most likely, none of us will ever see one of these on our vehicles IMO, but if I did find something like it, I definitely would get rid of it quick. not because I care if the feds track me, but because theres something on my ride that I didnt put there. if their goin to do shit like this, they should expect to have a negative response like tossing these things out. to me, that would be a normal response for someone to have.

[BigPimpin91]

yeah I heard about this too....most likely, none of us will ever see one of these on our vehicles IMO, but if I did find something like it, I definitely would get rid of it quick. not because I care if the feds track me, but because theres something on my ride that I didnt put there. if their goin to do shit like this, they should expect to have a negative response like tossing these things out. to me, that would be a normal response for someone to have.

I wonder how one of these modules will respond to 150+ @ 30hz.

[Mr. Darkjustice]

yeah I heard about this too....most likely, none of us will ever see one of these on our vehicles IMO, but if I did find something like it, I definitely would get rid of it quick. not because I care if the feds track me, but because theres something on my ride that I didnt put there. if their goin to do shit like this, they should expect to have a negative response like tossing these things out. to me, that would be a normal response for someone to have.

then youd get fines up the ass for destroyin government property . whos to say if we will or wont see it everywhere. theyre pretty much sayin its ok cause it lets them do ground work without leaving the desk. so with that bein said theyd probably use it on as many people as possible. you know to police without policin.

EDIT:oh and someone also made a comment that cars are considered private property. so how does that work out? roads are public. but cars and everything inside is not. hmmm

[AI James]

wouldnt even care

[Mr. Darkjustice]

wouldnt even care

itd be one more step to limit/ strip our freedom

[Reilly]

One step closer to socialism as we stand by and watch. The government does these things in small steps so there is limited uproar. Things they do now would have started a civil war 50 or 100 years ago, were just more submissive now......

[mbdblue]

I wonder how one of these modules will respond to 150+ @ 30hz.

hahaha I doubt it would like that much! theyd see movement on the screen but it wouldnt be actually goin anywhere

then youd get fines up the ass for destroyin government property . whos to say if we will or wont see it everywhere. theyre pretty much sayin its ok cause it lets them do ground work without leaving the desk. so with that bein said theyd probably use it on as many people as possible. you know to police without policin.

EDIT:oh and someone also made a comment that cars are considered private property. so how does that work out? roads are public. but cars and everything inside is not. hmmm

unless you have a best friend who is a drug cartel, i doubt they give a shit. all its gonna do is track your vehicle, and interestingly enough, James makes a good point. why would you care? stripping your freedom? as long as your not a drug dealer, illegal weapons dealer, or in the fuckin mob, they really have nothing against you. and unless that shit has a stamp on it that says GOV. PROPERTY ONLY DO NOT REMOVE, Ill make the argument that it was not labeled and deemed unnecessary to be in my vehicle, by me. what Im wondering is if they can get an accurate speed reading from these things....cuz if they can, Im fucked....then again so is everyone else.

[Benji0687]

Ever heard of Onstar?

Isnt GM primarily owned by the government now?

Hmm...

[Namosh]

They'd get pretty damn bored watching my truck go from home to work to home to work to home to work to home to work....I agree that it is another small step in taking away our privacy, but it is the price we have to pay living in a society so full of fuckhead criminals that create the need for this kind of measure.