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New to the site.. can someone give me some cliffs on this build.. it looks really clean and does good numbers but i know alot of dailys doing bigger numbers on just as clean a system. is there something im missing.. not bashing the truck like i said its a sick ride but some poeple act as if its the best ever seen. I have not seen the install so im sure there are some aspects to it that i have no clue about

Truck is not meant to put up huge numbers, its meant to be loud and sound clean. As for cliffs just scroll through this theres a little info but if you want the full list go to the members build section and look for the build it should be towards the top.

Edit: its not stickied look for 6 18's hummer in the title there is over 180 pages from start to where it is now.

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New to the site.. can someone give me some cliffs on this build.. it looks really clean and does good numbers but i know alot of dailys doing bigger numbers on just as clean a system. is there something im missing.. not bashing the truck like i said its a sick ride but some poeple act as if its the best ever seen. I have not seen the install so im sure there are some aspects to it that i have no clue about

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*ahem* 155 non walled with smd's, 157 walled with smd's, .. 5 db gain from switching to T3 subs?

*walks away*

*ahem* there wasnt a 5 db gain

*walks away*

but Trippi did say it SOUNDED louder and hit harder. which sounds good to me for a drop in

maybe the T3's did better with the low power levels since by eds own word the subs are seeing less than 2kw each and its a known fact that the SMD's need a minimum of 3500w or its a waste of time.... Id like to see a comparison between the two woofers with power and current issues taken care of.

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*ahem* 155 non walled with smd's, 157 walled with smd's, .. 5 db gain from switching to T3 subs?

*walks away*

*ahem* there wasnt a 5 db gain

*walks away*

but Trippi did say it SOUNDED louder and hit harder. which sounds good to me for a drop in

maybe the T3's did better with the low power levels since by eds own word the subs are seeing less than 2kw each and its a known fact that the SMD's need a minimum of 3500w or its a waste of time.... Id like to see a comparison between the two woofers with power and current issues taken care of.

maybe we can get db-don to do that with a tsns since hes already done loads of testing for an smd

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I think addressing the power delivery to the amplifiers will be a larger factor than most think. The RF amps use unregulated power supplies - less voltage IN = less current IN. Since Power is the product of voltage and current this will be a big factor, considering 11.5 VDC is 20% less than 14.4 VDC. If I were doing this upgrade, I would document the following before I changed anything:

1. The nominal voltage available with the vehicle at idle with the audio system muted

2. The minimum voltage at the B+ and B- terminals of one of the sub amps over a 10 second blast of said Bass Mekanik track

3. The average voltage at the B+ and B- terminals of the same sub amp over the same 10 second blast of the same track

4. The maximum voltage drop between the B+ terminal of the same sub amp and the output stud of any alternator during this same time frame

5. The average voltage drop between the B+ terminal of the same sub amp across the same run during this same time frame

After you've measured #1, two good DMMs (one used for measurements 2&3, the other for 4&5) like Fluke 87s or 88s can capture all of this data in a single 10 second period. It's important to document this because you want a starting point. From there, you could easily factor this data as a percentage in a number of ways.

Ideally, modifications will be made so that the amplifiers will see 14.4 VDC (when measured across the B+ and B- terminals) even at maximum output. Factoring only the subwoofer amplifiers here, and assuming each can make 3,000 watts RMS into 1 ohm (common), the math would be as follows:

3,000 x 12 = 36,000 Watts RMS

36,000 Watts RMS / 64.5% amplifier efficiency* = 55,814 Watts Input (on sine waves)

55,814 x 50% Duty Cycle (music factor) = 27,907 Watts Input (music at clipping)

27,907 / 14.4 VDC = 1,938 amps of current

That's (6) 350 Amp alternators just to feed the bass amps. If I assume the length of cable from the alternators to the amplifiers is 20 feet and assume another 3 feet from the alternators to the frame and 7 feet from the amplifiers to the frame, this gives a net length of cable of 30 feet (not including the frame rail return path, which would have very low resistance). If I pull out my copy of Automotive Wiring and Electrical Systems (Hey, I refer to it too . . . LOL), and look at the chart on page 100, I can see that 1/0 AWG (as in cable that meets the American Wire Gauge specification) is good for about 140 amps (give or take a few) at 30 feet. This will require 14 runs of 1/0 AWG cable on both the power and ground side of things just so that the sub amplifiers can play music at clipping - this does not factor all those 1,000 watt 4-channel amplifiers nor additional batteries in the rear of the vehicle that require between 7 & 10 amps each to maintain a surface charge . . . That's a bunch of ring terminals to solidly affix to the ends of cables to minimize resistance . . .

Yeah, I'm guessing there might be some "gain" in addressing this. After this was addressed, I would repeat steps 1-5 from above and factor all as a percentage. If Step 5 / Step 1 > 5%, then you still have work to do, although below 10% the law of diminishing returns will certainly be a factor . . . consider where that is currently . . .

*found at RF's web site on the 2500-1bdcp @ 1 ohm - the 2500-1 may be slightly different.

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Doesn't the hummer have 20 14v batts in the back? So voltage should be 16v ish? And its getting all the way down to 11? :trippy:

Just looked at the UBL, and yes there are twenty D1400 batts in the back. And i'm not bashing Rick because i have met him and personally think he is a great guy, but when he got the truck he striped it and ran a ton of what look like speaker wires. It seems like he over looked/under thought the power wires... My opinion (if anyone cares) is that this IS going to get taken care of. Pointing fingers is useless and stupid. Live and learn. :shrug:

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New to the site.. can someone give me some cliffs on this build.. it looks really clean and does good numbers but i know alot of dailys doing bigger numbers on just as clean a system. is there something im missing.. not bashing the truck like i said its a sick ride but some poeple act as if its the best ever seen. I have not seen the install so im sure there are some aspects to it that i have no clue about

160DB club? I want to see yours

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love the build

thanks

Still loving the truck Trippi, no matter what subs you go with and what brand name tries to capitalize off it's exposure. :drinks:

muchas gracias

Baby's good getting big. 12 weeks tomorrow. figure in another month i can get her using a sander.

once the power delivery is taken care of id expect a full db or two gain. plus more cone movement more air movement.

cool man..so what's your guess..1, 2 or somewhere in between?

Wow.

and

:hay: hey trippi

I'm glad u finally came out..i know it sure was lonely in that closet.

I think addressing the power delivery to the amplifiers will be a larger factor than most think. The RF amps use unregulated power supplies - less voltage IN = less current IN. Since Power is the product of voltage and current this will be a big factor, considering 11.5 VDC is 20% less than 14.4 VDC. If I were doing this upgrade, I would document the following before I changed anything:

1. The nominal voltage available with the vehicle at idle with the audio system muted

2. The minimum voltage at the B+ and B- terminals of one of the sub amps over a 10 second blast of said Bass Mekanik track

3. The average voltage at the B+ and B- terminals of the same sub amp over the same 10 second blast of the same track

4. The maximum voltage drop between the B+ terminal of the same sub amp and the output stud of any alternator during this same time frame

5. The average voltage drop between the B+ terminal of the same sub amp across the same run during this same time frame

After you've measured #1, two good DMMs (one used for measurements 2&3, the other for 4&5) like Fluke 87s or 88s can capture all of this data in a single 10 second period. It's important to document this because you want a starting point. From there, you could easily factor this data as a percentage in a number of ways.

Ideally, modifications will be made so that the amplifiers will see 14.4 VDC (when measured across the B+ and B- terminals) even at maximum output. Factoring only the subwoofer amplifiers here, and assuming each can make 3,000 watts RMS into 1 ohm (common), the math would be as follows:

3,000 x 12 = 36,000 Watts RMS

36,000 Watts RMS / 64.5% amplifier efficiency* = 55,814 Watts Input (on sine waves)

55,814 x 50% Duty Cycle (music factor) = 27,907 Watts Input (music at clipping)

27,907 / 14.4 VDC = 1,938 amps of current

That's (6) 350 Amp alternators just to feed the bass amps. If I assume the length of cable from the alternators to the amplifiers is 20 feet and assume another 3 feet from the alternators to the frame and 7 feet from the amplifiers to the frame, this gives a net length of cable of 30 feet (not including the frame rail return path, which would have very low resistance). If I pull out my copy of Automotive Wiring and Electrical Systems (Hey, I refer to it too . . . LOL), and look at the chart on page 100, I can see that 1/0 AWG (as in cable that meets the American Wire Gauge specification) is good for about 140 amps (give or take a few) at 30 feet. This will require 14 runs of 1/0 AWG cable on both the power and ground side of things just so that the sub amplifiers can play music at clipping - this does not factor all those 1,000 watt 4-channel amplifiers nor additional batteries in the rear of the vehicle that require between 7 & 10 amps each to maintain a surface charge . . . That's a bunch of ring terminals to solidly affix to the ends of cables to minimize resistance . . .

Yeah, I'm guessing there might be some "gain" in addressing this. After this was addressed, I would repeat steps 1-5 from above and factor all as a percentage. If Step 5 / Step 1 > 5%, then you still have work to do, although below 10% the law of diminishing returns will certainly be a factor . . . consider where that is currently . . .

*found at RF's web site on the 2500-1bdcp @ 1 ohm - the 2500-1 may be slightly different.

Thanks man, that means a lot that you even took time to try to help me out. Now I just need to find a translator. lol

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