LilTeddyP Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 (edited) Ok, so me and 97ssblazer are in a debate, or kind of a this or that, on what would be louder, sound better, and be better over all. Back story, I have 2 UFO BTL motors that I want PSI to build into 3000+ RMS to run each on a T2500-1bd (Not CP). 97ssblazer (Mike) is saying instead of having those built, sell the motors and do 6 Type R 12s. Cost aside (cause the type rs are stupid cheap and that would win for cost), what would be better? He says 6 12's cause it will have more cone area 480cm^2*6=2880cm^2. I can't argue that, it has more cone area. But from what I have been reading, it's cone area * xmax. If this is the case then it will be 480*20 = 9600*6 = 57600 for the 6 12s If the 18's are built for a 28mm xmax as fi's have 1210*28 = 33880*2 = 67760 for the 2 18s I know there needs to be a lot more in to this like box and power and what not to make a REAL informed decision, but what do you guys think? I think the 2 18s with be better, he says 6 12's. The good thing about the 12's is they are a stocked piece so if I blow them (speading 2500RMS+ between each set of 3) I just swap them out, and they are stupid cheap. It will be in a 97 GMC Jimmy in the cargo area, sub up port up. If more info is needed, LMK, I will try and keep this up from my phone. Let's throw this in the bottom, who has had experience with the new T2D215s? Should I just keep them and run them at 1 ohm each? Edited August 15, 2011 by LilTeddyP Quote 2001 Bravada (2wd) Pewter on 24's JVC KW-AV60BT 10 Alpine Type-S 6.5s 2 PSI/BTL 18's @ 32Hz 2 Rockford Fosgate T25001-bd's @ 1-ohm each Rockford Fosgate T1000-4 Rockford Fosgate T400-4 Rockford 3Sixty.2 Yellow top up front, 2 9a31s in the back LOTS of AT 1/0 Python 991 350 Amp Singer Alt "Build Log" My Facebook My YouTube i didnt see the video or read anything but...cool story and the reason your being a cock tonight is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyBoy95 Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 the 6 12s slamming at he same time would look amazing, thats why i voted 6 12s. But in reality, i like simplicity, so i would personally do 2 18s. (Ive always had 2 this and 2 that, now i love having a single sub setup) Quote Best Score to Date : 160.5 dB Outlaw (47Hz)[4 XM 15's & 2 Taramps Bass 12k's] BL : http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/147800-chevyboy95s-4-15s-7krms-wall-1533-db-on-half-power/YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/hitemwiththeflex/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skullz Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Cone is not always king, depending on your goals you might be better off with the pair of 18's than the 12's. If you plan on playing extremely low than the 18's will serve you better than the 12's will because a larger speaker will easily play lower notes than smaller speakers will. If all you want is in your face loud ass bass or you intend to compete then 12's might be the better option to go with. Again it's all a matter of preference that will decide which path to take. Quote 01 Ford focus ZX3 Pioneer AVH-X491BHS PPI PC 4800.2 Morel Maximo 6.5" x2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilTeddyP Posted August 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Another part of his argument is that it would be better running all my power over 12 coils than 4 coils Quote 2001 Bravada (2wd) Pewter on 24's JVC KW-AV60BT 10 Alpine Type-S 6.5s 2 PSI/BTL 18's @ 32Hz 2 Rockford Fosgate T25001-bd's @ 1-ohm each Rockford Fosgate T1000-4 Rockford Fosgate T400-4 Rockford 3Sixty.2 Yellow top up front, 2 9a31s in the back LOTS of AT 1/0 Python 991 350 Amp Singer Alt "Build Log" My Facebook My YouTube i didnt see the video or read anything but...cool story and the reason your being a cock tonight is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPL2K Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 2 18's Quote Michael Hughes = 6X SPL World Champion - Loudest on the planet in db Drag, USACi, and IASCA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilTeddyP Posted August 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Bump, lets hear some more on this Quote 2001 Bravada (2wd) Pewter on 24's JVC KW-AV60BT 10 Alpine Type-S 6.5s 2 PSI/BTL 18's @ 32Hz 2 Rockford Fosgate T25001-bd's @ 1-ohm each Rockford Fosgate T1000-4 Rockford Fosgate T400-4 Rockford 3Sixty.2 Yellow top up front, 2 9a31s in the back LOTS of AT 1/0 Python 991 350 Amp Singer Alt "Build Log" My Facebook My YouTube i didnt see the video or read anything but...cool story and the reason your being a cock tonight is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97SSBlazer Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 You can sell the BTL motors and buy wire.. Quote lower tuning is just hard. I was surprised how loud 145 sounds at 35hz, and how quiet 145 sounds at 50hz. -= 2005 Tahoe LT =-Head unit: Pioneer AVH-X5500BHSSource: iPad Mini in dash Subs: 2 T1 12's Sub Amp: T1500-1bdCPWire: Rockford Fosgate 1/0 awgSignal Cable: MonsterFronts:Stock Bose for now:)Rears: Stock Bose for now:)MIds/High amp: Stock Bose for now:) 2005 Tahoe Build Log: http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/172529-2005-tahoe-my-17th-vehicle/ 2001 Monte Build Log: http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/160030-2001-monte-carlo-my-16th-car-lol/page-2#entry25309381997 Tahoe Build Log: http://www.stevemead...oe-6-15-rf-15s/2001 Impala Build Log: http://www.stevemead...katzkin-inside/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooTxBeeR Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 I think for the lows the 18's would do good, if your going to a 30 or 32hz tuning, although the 12's would still do good at 32 but better at a 35 hz tuning. And if you get the 18's they should be able to handle a T2500.bdCP. I think I'd go with the 12's for the fact that there is more and would look so much nicer in the sense of woofer porn. Quote On 11/20/2012 at 8:54 PM, AMI CUSTOMS said: Turned mine up today at a light, guy next to me his steering wheel started moving and he looked over at me like I was a magician lol. On 5/9/2012 at 8:45 PM, skittlesRgood said: fuck the plating. look at what the main metal used is. you could buy unicorn blood plated terminals but if its just covering up dog shit, whats the point On 4/10/2013 at 12:26 PM, mrd6 said: I'll admit, half way through sanding that fiberglass in the rain and cold while I was all itchy I was definitely starting to question why i was doing this haha Soon To Be '04 Ford Escape US Alternator 280A Hairpin D4800 Under the Hood (6) XP3000's in Rear 1/0 SHCA & XS Power 4 runs to back TORK2 kit from Tony @ CE Auto Supply Pioneer DEH-80PRS DD AW6.5 (2) per door *Tweeter Unkown* DD SS4a & C3d (2) SCV4000 @ .5Ohm (2) 15" Sundown Zv5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97SSBlazer Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Due to the fact of more cone area, I think the 6 12's would be a better bet, Now add in fact of a lot more coils to dissipate the heat and power I don't see how its not a safer bet. I know I'm on the Type R's nut's but for the price nothing can fuck with them. I get them for the lowz . Now as I understand it at box tuning frequency the woofers don't actually move that much, So more cone area FTW unless playing below tuning freq? Correct me If I'm wrong. I know PSI's are legit but after shipping to and from plus the actual re-cone with labor I think he could save some money for deadener and wire as that's far more important than .1 or .2 DB'z.... Quote lower tuning is just hard. I was surprised how loud 145 sounds at 35hz, and how quiet 145 sounds at 50hz. -= 2005 Tahoe LT =-Head unit: Pioneer AVH-X5500BHSSource: iPad Mini in dash Subs: 2 T1 12's Sub Amp: T1500-1bdCPWire: Rockford Fosgate 1/0 awgSignal Cable: MonsterFronts:Stock Bose for now:)Rears: Stock Bose for now:)MIds/High amp: Stock Bose for now:) 2005 Tahoe Build Log: http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/172529-2005-tahoe-my-17th-vehicle/ 2001 Monte Build Log: http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/160030-2001-monte-carlo-my-16th-car-lol/page-2#entry25309381997 Tahoe Build Log: http://www.stevemead...oe-6-15-rf-15s/2001 Impala Build Log: http://www.stevemead...katzkin-inside/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97SSBlazer Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 "Let's throw this in the bottom, who has had experience with the new T2D215s? Should I just keep them and run them at 1 ohm each?" 3000 Watts RMS EACH? HELL NO! You will have 70Lb paper weights... I would like to hear them but they wont last long... Quote lower tuning is just hard. I was surprised how loud 145 sounds at 35hz, and how quiet 145 sounds at 50hz. -= 2005 Tahoe LT =-Head unit: Pioneer AVH-X5500BHSSource: iPad Mini in dash Subs: 2 T1 12's Sub Amp: T1500-1bdCPWire: Rockford Fosgate 1/0 awgSignal Cable: MonsterFronts:Stock Bose for now:)Rears: Stock Bose for now:)MIds/High amp: Stock Bose for now:) 2005 Tahoe Build Log: http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/172529-2005-tahoe-my-17th-vehicle/ 2001 Monte Build Log: http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/160030-2001-monte-carlo-my-16th-car-lol/page-2#entry25309381997 Tahoe Build Log: http://www.stevemead...oe-6-15-rf-15s/2001 Impala Build Log: http://www.stevemead...katzkin-inside/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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