Which car should I choose? same question as the other guy :P

[727Designs]

Get the Cobra, and Idk where ive been but neons have never *turned heads*

Stage 3RS with a full 4 inch intake/exhuast and an HKS SSQV really do turn heads...than again that is pretty subjective, and i am in a school full of guys obsessed with these cars. So i don't know.

It's still a gay looking car, your main priority shouldn't be to impress a bunch of dudes.

It shouldn't be to impress a bunch of girls either... I don't need my car to get girls. And the "bunch of dudes" you are talking about are in this industry... instructors and students... many of whom have worked or owned performance shops, race teams, repair shops...etc... its THEIR opinions i care about.

This is an example of one of the neons i'm looking at, i first saw it at the pavillions car show. In my opinion, its pretty sick. it has a full soundsystem to that i think is pretty nice for what it is:

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2551089451.html

You're worried about building power yet you're going to buy a highly modded boosted car that someone has likely beaten on pretty hard with 100k+ miles on it?

[sayhuh?]

[AlexRhodes]

Get the Cobra, and Idk where ive been but neons have never *turned heads*

Stage 3RS with a full 4 inch intake/exhuast and an HKS SSQV really do turn heads...than again that is pretty subjective, and i am in a school full of guys obsessed with these cars. So i don't know.

I know they're 600+ because we dyno'd them in class... I have pics and videos of them if you want. They're not common, but my school is a collection of people like that... theres even two supras. Also, the cars that show up at the pavillions car show every week... i'd say theres more than 10 mustangs/cobras... kenne bell or whipple charged.

If you're in college and worried about impressing dudes I'd be seriously concerned.

At the end of the day the SRT-4 is still a Neon. My buddy owns one of the fastest ones in the country, and he will even tell you that. They are cool cars, but torque steer is a PITA, they sound like anus (Even stock), it's a bitch to drive, and to most college chicks it's still a Neon.

Also in your "350hp Neon will walk the Cobra" you're missing alot of key factors at the track. FWD is harder to hook up at that power range, the weight difference really isn't that significant, and the Mustang will just be all around easier to drive at the track.

I say get the Cobra, don't worry about a blower. Long tubes, O/R X, catback, GOOD shifter (MGW FTW!), 4.10 gears, CAI, and a tune and you'll have a plenty fast car that will sound wicked and turn heads.

I'm not worried about impressing "dudes" i'm into getting looks at the track, performance and aesthetics wise. And you are forgetting WHERE ill be racing... I am very aware that a RWD cobra will 60ft better than an SRT-4. But i don't drag race except on saturdays.... I race from rolls. we all know where and why. And an srt-4 60-140 roll, it's pretty much untouchable to a factory cobra. And... All of the stuff you just said is great, and then i'm gonna put a kenne bell on it That's my prefrence. i will worry about blowing it, because it's the difference betweeen 400 and 600+ hp

LOL Kid your mind is made up. You won't listen to posts from people who have owned these cars and been there. I worked at a modular Mustang performance shop for quite some time and have seen what those cars can do without a blower. You have any idea how much it takes to get 600whp? It's alot more than bolting on a blower. A 2.1L KB will set you back ~$5,500 for the kit, then if you want to above 6.5psi (Which you will HAVE to do to make 600whp) you'll need to upgrade the fuel system, then gauges to monitor everything, then don't forget $700+ for a good tune. Most of those cars with an off the shelf KB kit barely break the 400whp range. You're not talking 03-04 Cobra and 600whp being as easy as a ported blower and a pulley change. The 01 internals are also not as strong as the 03-04 and about 450whp is pretty close to the limit on them. You're underestimating how fast a 400whp Cobra will be.

Getting looks at the track? Like I said, at the end of the day the SRT-4 is still a Neon. Performance wise it will be fast in a straight line, but will suck for auto-x, fast trips through the twisties, etc where the IRS Cobra will shine. Most people seriously underestimate the handling of those cars.

Roll racing isn't racing. If you're worried about a roll race buy a Supra. Running from a dig takes skill, a trained monkey can race from a roll. Lol

I never said it would be cheap to kenne bell it... And idk about 5500. They're in 5.0 magazine right now for 4,500. I know the 01 internals are weaker, i said in the first post that i would build the engine. Crank is forged, it only need rods and pistons. As for the fuel, KB covers that with the boost-a-pump. it's all in the kit, and KB offers flash tuning as well. Yes i'd have to get a gauge pillar, but those are all parts i'd factor into the build cost of the car. Not only have i seen one of these cobras, there are TWO at my school, both dynod at 600+ hp at 10-12 psi. The other problem with the 01 cobra is the half shafts are not as stout as the 03-04.

I know rolling isn't real racing, but it's what i do 99% of the time. And to be honest i'd never considered the cobra for anything BUT straight lines. It's an interesting point that it can handle it if i ever wanted to go that route.

As for you guys saying i have my mind made up.... I'm simply fighting for both cars... These are all the arguments i have in my head when trying to pick one or the other.

The $4,500 kit won't touch the power you want to make. The boost a pump helps, but doesn't make up for the fuel system you'll need to make power anyone that tells you it will is wrong. I've been around these cars for years. You also don't want to run a mailbox tune with that setup, you'll want to spend some time on a dyno. There is NO cutting corners when making 500+hp. I'm highly doubting there are 2 600whp 99-01 cars at your school. They ARE NOT common. If they tell you they make 600whp demand dyno sheets.

Half shafts suck in all 99-04 Cobras. Stock ones won't hold stock power with good tires at the track.

I know they're 600+ because we dyno'd them in class... I have pics and videos of them if you want. They're not common, but my school is a collection of people like that... theres even two supras. Also, the cars that show up at the pavillions car show every week... i'd say theres more than 10 mustangs/cobras... kenne bell or whipple charged.Not to say they are all 600+ but many of them are.

[AlexRhodes]

Get the Cobra, and Idk where ive been but neons have never *turned heads*

Stage 3RS with a full 4 inch intake/exhuast and an HKS SSQV really do turn heads...than again that is pretty subjective, and i am in a school full of guys obsessed with these cars. So i don't know.

It's still a gay looking car, your main priority shouldn't be to impress a bunch of dudes.

It shouldn't be to impress a bunch of girls either... I don't need my car to get girls. And the "bunch of dudes" you are talking about are in this industry... instructors and students... many of whom have worked or owned performance shops, race teams, repair shops...etc... its THEIR opinions i care about.

This is an example of one of the neons i'm looking at, i first saw it at the pavillions car show. In my opinion, its pretty sick. it has a full soundsystem to that i think is pretty nice for what it is:

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2551089451.html

You're worried about building power yet you're going to buy a highly modded boosted car that someone has likely beaten on pretty hard with 100k+ miles on it?

Go back a page or two.... i DISTINCTLY said i would never buy that car because it is over priced and probably had the shit beat out of it. i'll go find it and quote it if you want.

[CleanSierra]

This thread needs locked. Go buy your neon and call it done. Let us know when you blow it up...

[SojiaRaggs9000]

first off, you are complaining about gas and you drive a BMW? You should be putting 91 minimum octane rating in your BMW...

Also why would you spend 10,000+ on a car that already has 100k miles on it?

And last why not buy a stock car and mod it yourself?

The compression ratio doesn't REALLY require 91. My mom always ran low grade pump gas when she drove it, and it's been fine. i'm not gonna start buying premium. and the gas mileage isn't bad at all. I CAN buy a stock car and mod it myself, thats what i'd do with the cobra. But i can really only do bolt ons. i have class and work all week, i have to have a daily driver, can't be out of commission for more than a day or two.

LOL, just because your mom drove it with cheap ass gas in it doesn't make it ok. Hell the new Mustang GT 500s require you to use premium fuel only. Yeah you could use cheap ass unleaded if you wanted but you'll be replacing the engine pretty soon. Switch back to premium stop being cheap. The car was engined to run on the higher octane fuel. But I forgot you been "LEARNING" there at your shop.. lols... Good luck with the neon seems your mind is made up.

[Gotloud555]

Get Manual car no automatic..

[AlexRhodes]

first off, you are complaining about gas and you drive a BMW? You should be putting 91 minimum octane rating in your BMW...

Also why would you spend 10,000+ on a car that already has 100k miles on it?

And last why not buy a stock car and mod it yourself?

The compression ratio doesn't REALLY require 91. My mom always ran low grade pump gas when she drove it, and it's been fine. i'm not gonna start buying premium. and the gas mileage isn't bad at all. I CAN buy a stock car and mod it myself, thats what i'd do with the cobra. But i can really only do bolt ons. i have class and work all week, i have to have a daily driver, can't be out of commission for more than a day or two.

LOL, just because your mom drove it with cheap ass gas in it doesn't make it ok. Hell the new Mustang GT 500s require you to use premium fuel only. Yeah you could use cheap ass unleaded if you wanted but you'll be replacing the engine pretty soon. Switch back to premium stop being cheap. The car was engined to run on the higher octane fuel. But I forgot you been "LEARNING" there at your shop.. lols... Good luck with the neon seems your mind is made up.

My point is the bmw has been running strong on 89 for 8 years now. Not a single problem. And ya, no shit the gt 500s require premium, it's supercharged. The neon does too because its turbocharged, and the cobra because of the high compression ratio. The bmw is N/A. and no, i learned a hell of a lot more from my fuel and ignition systems course, and while i was studying for my engine repair and engine performance ASE's.

[MACnonsence6]

get the neon bish

[dkahns51]

If you want to be noticed like you said.. why would you even consider a neon? its a neon..