ChevyBoy95 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 So when company make there subs they measure the amout of travel the subwoofer can travel correctly by xmax. The amount of travel the sub can do. Witch directly affects how much cone movement there will be, equaling how much air will be moved my the displacement of the woofer. Other factors come in as far as power handling, box size, bla bla bla. But hands down xmax matters! Look at the cheap ass subs and they will have 6mm travel. then look at sundown that have 12mm travel, twice the excursion. Thats why people started bashing kicker many years ago. Orion came out with high excursion woofers. I know because I replaced my kickers with orions, same wattage and oh my god. That was the start and the trend since has been greater x max. Every car video we look at on you tube.. what do we focus on... how far the sub moves is your air movement. high xmax doesnt mean shit. you need motor force to go with the xmax Best Score to Date : 160.5 dB Outlaw (47Hz)[4 XM 15's & 2 Taramps Bass 12k's] BL : http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/147800-chevyboy95s-4-15s-7krms-wall-1533-db-on-half-power/YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/hitemwiththeflex/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleanSierra Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Xmax and power do not go hand in hand as you say they do. There are plenty of high Xmax subs that will not handle the power of ones with less Xmax. The RE XXX had 54MM of Xmax but won't take as much power as a Fi SP4 that only has a measly 33MM of Xmax. Coil size( even coil material and number of layers), and suspension of the sub is what determines power handling, NOT Xmax. P.S. As I've stated twice already, Xmax does not determine how much air a sub will displace. If you have a sub that happens to have a coil that has deeper windings, the coil will stay in the gap longer which leads to a higher Xmax number. That doesn't equate to cone travel or if a sub will be louder or move more air than another with lower Xmax. Im not the one you want to try to troll. Just a fyi for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exxxtrem Posted November 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 your all good strange duck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerballzs Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 You are putting 6 subs in a cavalair trunk? Need to see this. http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/garage/vehicle/2438-jeep-commander/I Pioneer P99RSAmpere 38002-Ampere 125/44-6.5 inch Hertz HSK XL Mids4-8 inch JL Audio ZR Midwoofer 2-5.25 Satori Mids2-Morel Tweeters, 2 Hertz Milles 3 inch on A pillars2-Hertz Silk tweeters DC Audio Level 5/12 Skyhigh Wire Mechman 320 XS Power D3100MO Funniest Thread of the Year 2013: http://www.stevemead...dy-being-a-pos/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 No ported. Just looking for alot of air movement. Correct me if im wrong but more xmax= more cone movement= more air movement. Also, you said this, then when you were corrected you told everyone they were wrong for correcting you. So, um. yeah... Rest in peace, walled 87 accord build log 03' Corolla build with AA Mayhem inside. My super random youtube channel and terrible camera work. Wiring comparison by CaptainzPlanetz Wire and fuse guide by Guest SyKo13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguels Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 mayhems only have 30 mm of xmax and they move lots of air.. vs the re xxx that have 54 xmax the mayhem can take gobs of power more.. my logshttp://www.stevemead...-my-new-set-up/my blow through loghttp://www.stevemead...future-updates/ 96 ss http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/164094-96-impala-ss-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomZoom808 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Best cheap sub IMO infinity ref 2010 Mazda 3s 2.5L Pioneer DEH-X9600BHS Knu OFC 1/0 SS Platinum AGM / XS Power XP750 Alpine PDX F-4 / Morel Maximo 5 + Coax 5 IA 10.1 / SSA XCON 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEvil Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 I think you guys are all (well, not all of you, but most are jumping on the "beat the new guy" bandwagon) forgetting that excursion is a function of enclosure design and applied power. Xmax will play a role for transients and below tuning frequency mostly. At or above you are not likely to reach the full xmax of the driver without retard amounts of power or a really big damn box. edit as to best cheap sub... I would say Lanzar, but they have weird ass coil sizes so recones can be a bitch. Digital Designs are a bit expensive but will take a beating. MickyMcD - "Capable of making some serious trouser flapping volumes at where's-my-testicles frequencies, the Servo-Drives used to be fairly jaw dropping..." Any time you have have a power wire next to your frame put some rubber hosing (or cut up an innertube) around it. The wire is bound to wiggle (due to driving or flex) and the casing will eventually wear through. Hammerdown... 1% no links to outside websites, business related FB/YT pages allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguels Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 the obsidian subs are cheap.. should look into them my logshttp://www.stevemead...-my-new-set-up/my blow through loghttp://www.stevemead...future-updates/ 96 ss http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/164094-96-impala-ss-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 or audioque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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