Skullz Posted August 17, 2014 Report Posted August 17, 2014 Id solder on rings and use some sort of binding post. even something as simple as a stainless steel bolts , nuts and washers. And yes, soldering is in my humble opinion VERY critical. over time wire will oxidize. so at some point in time anything short of a soldered connection will be affected by the wire oxidizing and the connection becomes less and less efficient. ROFL NO!!! NO!!! NO!!! Soldering is great for joining wires, but is not necessary or will prevent oxidation. Wire nuts are quick and efficient and will keep the wire from exposure inside the cap preventing oxidation. 01 Ford focus ZX3 Pioneer AVH-X491BHS PPI PC 4800.2 Morel Maximo 6.5" x2
hdorre Posted August 17, 2014 Report Posted August 17, 2014 To extend my speaker wires, I soldered and heat shrunk. That was with 12awg, not 8(?) awg.. But same concept. On 5/8/2011 at 7:38 PM, Kranny said: On 5/8/2011 at 7:35 PM, 'Maxim' said: It hurts me inside when I read stuff like this and remember you're 15 LMFAO so true Mitsubishi 3000GT (Old Build) Headunit: Pioneer 80PRS Frontstage: (2) McLaren Audio MLT-2 Tweeters & (4) PRV Audio MR Series Neo 6.5" Mids Substage: 4 15" Hybrid Subs - Tantric Motors & Sundown Softies Amps: Banda 2.4D Amp (Tweets), American Bass VFL 350.4 (Mids), and (2) Ampere 3800s Electrical :Singer 260A Alt & JY Power Lithium 2005 Chevy Colorado Ext Cab Headunit: Pioneer 80PRS Frontstage: 4 PRV 700Ti Tweets & 6 10" Delta Mids on 3000wrms Substage: 6 Fi BTL 18s in a 4th Order Walkthrough on 3 Wolfram 4500s Electrical: Singer "390" and JY Power My Official Feedback Thread
Triticum Agricolam Posted August 17, 2014 Report Posted August 17, 2014 I use crimp on butt connectors with heat shrink over the top. Its quick, clean, permanent, and as good if not better than soldering, as long as you use the appropriate size connectors and crimp tool. "Nothing prevents people from knowing the truth more than the belief they already know it.""Making bass is easy, making music is the hard part."Builds:
Kyblack76 Posted August 17, 2014 Report Posted August 17, 2014 I use crimp on butt connectors with heat shrink over the top. Its quick, clean, permanent, and as good if not better than soldering, as long as you use the appropriate size connectors and crimp tool. and thats why some drivers that you buy off others with Dleads are 3 inches long...... hate direct leads.... twist em or wire nut em call it done..... SMD SUPER SELLER The Burban Build Blazer Build sold Acura trunk build sold
tacomaguy1 Posted August 17, 2014 Report Posted August 17, 2014 I've done twist with electrical tape lol Wire nuts now Team Flex Issues
Ritch40 Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 Here is the thing, over time elements in our environment will cause metal to corrode. If you solder the ring terminals on corrosion cant get into that part of the joint. while the ring terminal itself can corrode, that is very easy to clean up. if you get corrsion between your wire and the crimped on terminal you wont be able to clean things up. when i used to crimp everything, it seemed like i always had issues with the battery terminals. since i started to solder everything, all thats needed is some occasional maintananace and the connections last for years and years. when i look at what todays amplifiers cost, and the amperage and voltage they crank out, soldering those connections is cheap insurance to protect very expensive equipment. additionally, while i dont have any video evidence to bring to the table on this, soldered connections are more efficient at transferring voltage and amperage too. if people soldered rings onto direct leads and used some common sense youd never ever see subs(or other equipment) with very short leads on it.
Triticum Agricolam Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 Here is the thing, over time elements in our environment will cause metal to corrode. If you solder the ring terminals on corrosion cant get into that part of the joint. while the ring terminal itself can corrode, that is very easy to clean up. if you get corrsion between your wire and the crimped on terminal you wont be able to clean things up. when i used to crimp everything, it seemed like i always had issues with the battery terminals. since i started to solder everything, all thats needed is some occasional maintananace and the connections last for years and years. when i look at what todays amplifiers cost, and the amperage and voltage they crank out, soldering those connections is cheap insurance to protect very expensive equipment. additionally, while i dont have any video evidence to bring to the table on this, soldered connections are more efficient at transferring voltage and amperage too. if people soldered rings onto direct leads and used some common sense youd never ever see subs(or other equipment) with very short leads on it. A properly done crimped connection swages the metal together so it is gas tight and will not corrode inside the connector where it matters. I'm not trying to say there is anything wrong with soldered connections, both types work very well, WHEN DONE CORRECTLY! I totally agree with what you said about if people would use properly done ring terminals. Too bad more people don't do that. Also I understand Kylar's point about folks ending up with three inch long direct leads, but in my opinion that's more due to people being short-sighted and hasty than due to the type of connection they used. "Nothing prevents people from knowing the truth more than the belief they already know it.""Making bass is easy, making music is the hard part."Builds:
Triticum Agricolam Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 I think this thread is very relevant to this discussion: http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/139795-the-ultimate-answer-on-solder-vs-crimp/ "Nothing prevents people from knowing the truth more than the belief they already know it.""Making bass is easy, making music is the hard part."Builds:
Ritch40 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 i do agree with you on that post, it was very good reading. My thoughts and opinions are based on issues i deal with daily. I do own hydraulic crimpers with a set of proper dies for it. What i have noticed over the years is the crimped connections seem to fail within 6months to a year. the soldered connections last considerably longer. That all said, I will grant that my vehicle sucks a ton more current(for just the vehicle) than the average car/suv does. I also run in weather with this thing that many of you avoid ...lol. i will in no way debate the security of a properly crimped connection, its just been my experience that properly soldered will always outlast properly crimped. Please bare in mind that the issues i spoke of are mainly power connections, but I do feel it applies to all connections. Salt and other things within our environment have a way of getting into things that amazes me. Its not my intent here to argue at all. I do however thing that many can benefit from a bit of debate, and good information on this. I do hope what has been said here by both myself and other can help somebody out. The biggest thing is, no matter what type of connection you prefer and use, it has to be done correctly in order to ensure years of trouble free use. I just wish i knew half as much about designing really good enclosures as i do wiring....lol
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