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Factory installed sound deadener that is applied with heat (and typically lacks a foil top layer) can be removed chemically (not recommended) or by use of more heat OR extreme cold from dry ice as mentioned above. Either way you go at it, it's a mess and is time consuming. If it's aftermarket sound deadener like Damplifier or Dynamat, as N8 suggested... pull like hell! And I've found that if you pull on the material parallel with the surface it's applied to (vs. just pulling straight up on it), it comes off a little bit easier.

Yeah 20 sq. ft. would give you enough to cover the trunk lid and the parcel shelf of your Fusion. One tip, if you are going to cover up the holes where your speakers were in the parcel shelf, use something stuff and don't just use Damplifier over the hole. A piece of sheet metal screwed or bolted in place would be ideal.

I have thought about taking a look at the few liquid deadeners that are out there. One of the largest issues would be achieving the exact same thickness across the board to insure the best possible comparison between the products. Based on 'science', I can tell you that almost every single extensional damper (i.e. the liquid products) would fall short of the performance of the true CLDs even if the liquid product were to be applied twice as thick as the CLD. If i were to do some tests, I will post an update in this through.

Just to update this, here is the email I sent to Kenneth in regards to the product he sent me.

Thanks for nailing this one Emp. Also keep in mind that each door/vehicle/setup is different. I've said this several times before, in some instances sealing up the door may be detrimental to the sound quality of the speakers. Speaker manufacturers typically design their drivers to be ran as IB (infinite baffle). By sealing up the door you are more or less creating a sealed enclosure for the speaker, thus preventing it from being ran as IB. This may results in lower volume/output as well as poor frequency response. But again this is all speculatory and may or may not have any impact on your setup. I personally haven't seen any hard facts, just have heard opinions on what it sounds like before and after sealing up the doors.

Hmm, that's not a bad deal actually. If you were to catch one of our sales you can typically get (depending on the sale) 30 sq. ft. of b-stock Damp Pro for around $120-$125 shipped, which would be almost a $1 per square foot cheaper.

Emp, doesn't it look similar to the old school Damp/Damp Pro circa 2006-2007? The perforated release paper is reminiscent of it at least... lol I feel old now.

Ok cool, appreciate it!

Based on the pics, I'm 99% sure I know exactly what you have. Question, who did you get it from or do you know where they got it?

Just replied.

If the rep you speak of is me, I don't work on commission or anything like that. So yeah just order through the website OR if you have a local dealer (I can't think of any off the top of my head around your location).

Eh, LLP could function as the carpet... But yeah that is the correct order of procedure (thanks Emp!). As for the go heavy with the Spectrum (3mm would be about the thickest I would go) and then bedliner over it, hard to say. Just off the top of my head I'm thinking the results would be about on par as that as a single layer of Damp Pro (comparing that you cover/treat the same square footage), simply because Spectrum lacks the ever oh so important constraining layer which is extremely important to reduce panel resonance. Now if we're comparing how well each product adds rigidity to the substrate to help withstand something like the forces of air pressure (and if we completely ignore how well the product reduces panel resonance)... then I might give the upper hand to Spectrum simply because once fully cured it is slightly more rigid than Damp/Damp Pro, especially if it were applied at 3mm thick. Anyways I'm starting to ramble a bit... Let us know how the install goes!

Correct, the kit was designed to provide Wrangler owners the best and most economical solution for a super fast and easy way to combat heat and noise. This is accomplished by using five gallons of Spectrum all over the place (tub, firewall, wheel wells, etc.) and five sheets (45 sq. ft.) of Luxury Liner Pro in the interior to block the noise (typically from road and/or larger mud tires and what have you). From a mobile audio standpoint, it'll work, but better results can be had by using a Bulk or Shop Pack of Damp Pro in combination with some OverKill (for the squeaks and rattles). And then you can step it up and throw some Luxury Liner Pro in there as well and cut down on some of the ambient noises like road, tire, exhaust, etc. Make sense?

All versions of Damplifier (b-stock included) can be used under the hood without any issues or fear of coming off. Just make sure you prep your hood appropriately by removing all grease/residue prior to installing the material. I had Damplifier Pro installed on my hood for several years until I decided to redo a few things... lets just say it was a pain in the royal ass to remove it. If you are the least bit worried about it, as Jason suggested, Spectrum would be a better solution as it will DEFINITELY not fail.

Overkill as in too much material. Similar results may have been achieved by using less material. But again each vehicle, install, and goal you want to achieve is different. Still some awesome clean pics of the process.

Yeah b-stock is material that doesn't pass the high standard for quality and may have some irregularities in the thickness of the butyl and/or may have some damage or scratches to the foil. Other than that, it's the same material and is a hell of a deal. My 'sampling' of the material that Ken sent me looked damn near perfect with exception to a few pieces on top that were wrinkled.

Yeah looks good. Maybe a little bit of overkill in a few areas, but each car and setup is different.

Depending on how much you are going to cover (25%-35% is really all that is needed), 40 sq. ft. would be my estimate to get everything treated. Back in the day (about four years ago lol), there were 4-5 Mustang build logs on our forum and the average amount that people were putting in them was pushing 120 sq. ft.... it was INSANE how much they were wasting.

Good stuff right there! And thank you for your help too!

No thank you both (especially Mr. Meade). We're always appreciative to all the business we receive from the community.

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