Fish Chris Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Wow ! Kinda' funny how this thread waited 3 weeks, then blew up yesterday Anyway, I ended up going with a pair of Dayton 15" HO's, because of cost, and good reviews, and I'm really happy with them ! Hard to believe, but they are just as tight and clean, if not moreso, than my old 12" eD Kv13.2's. Still tweaking the port tubes... soon to be adding a couple more mid-bass drivers, and another set of components, but even right now, my system has never sounded better Peace, Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsuv Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 your talking about transients. a larger sub would likely have a harder time stopping on a dime. i dont think it will matter a whole lot at low volumes. then when you turn it up, well who cares about SQ then. I couldn't disagree more. If a large driver has a hard time keeping up with the music, then your setup is all wrong. Lets look at it this way. what is the size of a kick drum? 18-24" Now if a Kick drum can reproduce a solid, tight double beat kick, then an 18" driver should too. My 18's have zero issues with keeping up with any double bass, and still play down to 18hz no problem. you really cant compare the thin, tight face of a drum to a heavier paper cone with a bunch of copper hanging off it. make that drum face weigh as much as your 18" subwoofer, then see how it performs. but either way, i said it will likely have a harder time. not that it will always or that its impossible to make an 18" sound good. Sure you can, Try to get a properly tuned 12" tom to play like a kickdrum. Point I was trying to make is, It does not matter the material being pushed as it is the airspace it is pushing. Designing, building, and shipping boxes. Yahoo IM - kingsuv00If the listening level is too loud, please inform the driver, so he can promptly pull over, and let you out. not many cars can get me to pluggin my ears but this one.......damn. I mean the first minute is ok but that thing just really starts digging deeper and deeper in your earhole till you cant stand it no more. Seems like it does it with relative ease....16 12's on 8 amps.........gotta love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkolfo4 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 The 18" cone does not have to move as far to produce the same output as a 10". If the driver is designed correctly and in the correct enclosure, an 18" can sound awesome. . . Current system: 1997 Blazer - (4) Customer Fi NEO subs with (8) American Bass Elite 2800.1s Previous systems: 2000 Suburban - (4) BTL 15's and (4) IA 40.1's = 157.7 dB at 37 Hz. 1992 Astro Van - (6) BTL 15's and (6) IA 40.1's = 159.7 dB at 43 Hz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Wow ! Kinda' funny how this thread waited 3 weeks, then blew up yesterday Anyway, I ended up going with a pair of Dayton 15" HO's, because of cost, and good reviews, and I'm really happy with them ! Hard to believe, but they are just as tight and clean, if not moreso, than my old 12" eD Kv13.2's. Still tweaking the port tubes... soon to be adding a couple more mid-bass drivers, and another set of components, but even right now, my system has never sounded better Peace, Fish nice setup. Looks really clean and if you're happy with it then that's all that matters. I've heard some of the dayton Titanics and I wondered why they're not more popular. A vid would be nice, btw. 2007 Pacifica Rebuild. Less quiet. Still not loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skittlesRgood Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 your talking about transients. a larger sub would likely have a harder time stopping on a dime. i dont think it will matter a whole lot at low volumes. then when you turn it up, well who cares about SQ then. I couldn't disagree more. If a large driver has a hard time keeping up with the music, then your setup is all wrong. Lets look at it this way. what is the size of a kick drum? 18-24" Now if a Kick drum can reproduce a solid, tight double beat kick, then an 18" driver should too. My 18's have zero issues with keeping up with any double bass, and still play down to 18hz no problem. you really cant compare the thin, tight face of a drum to a heavier paper cone with a bunch of copper hanging off it. make that drum face weigh as much as your 18" subwoofer, then see how it performs. but either way, i said it will likely have a harder time. not that it will always or that its impossible to make an 18" sound good. Sure you can, Try to get a properly tuned 12" tom to play like a kickdrum. Point I was trying to make is, It does not matter the material being pushed as it is the airspace it is pushing. each drum is designed to resonate at a specific frequency so of course they sound different. the material(weight) and the way its being moved absolutely matter. a 2 pound object in motion is harder to stop a 1 pound object. can you stop each one in the same amount of time? absolutely. but the heavier object will be harder to stop and start. If I answered you in a well mannered, informative way, you asked a good question or had a good attitude. If I was an asshole, you asked a stupid question or you had a fucktard attitude... or I was in a bad mood. Team BassickHU: Pioneer AVIC Z110Front: Peerless SLS 6.5", Peerless HDS 4", Rainbow tweeter - running activeAmp: JL HD600/4 and DC 4 channel (bridged to midbass)Processor: JBL MS-8Subs: 2x 12" AA MayhemsAmp: DC 3kElectrical: DC power 270xp alt. 1/0 big 4. XSpower D3400 and six D680s. http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/121795-29-update-the-buick-is-getting-a-rebuild/ Top career scores: DBdrag 151.7 MECA SQ 82.25My SOTM build Yeah. im pretty sure they dont warranty retarded people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsuv Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 You are making it sound like the material for an 18" cone is 50 lbs heavier then a 12. That's just not the case. A 3" coil weighs the same in a 10, 12,15 and 18. Sure an 18 has more air to push, but that has more to do with motor strength. It's not because a cone weighs so much more. If you are concerened that your sub can't handle any dynamic attack then maybe you have picked the wrong driver or couldn't build the right box for one. But to say a larger driver can't keep up with a smaller one playing the same musical range is just ignorant IMO. If you are really concerened about attack, then look a little deeper at your amp and it's slew rate. Designing, building, and shipping boxes. Yahoo IM - kingsuv00If the listening level is too loud, please inform the driver, so he can promptly pull over, and let you out. not many cars can get me to pluggin my ears but this one.......damn. I mean the first minute is ok but that thing just really starts digging deeper and deeper in your earhole till you cant stand it no more. Seems like it does it with relative ease....16 12's on 8 amps.........gotta love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Now now bill. Dont be bringing in new words like slew rate. Their heads might explode. Mms is a very important thing to look at if you really want to try and care about attack. But you go to light then have other problems. I like sandwich style cones, kevlar, cf etc 2008 California state record holder 157.2 Bassrace2009 California state record holder 157.0 BassraceRollin 50's 158.7db2009 King of Cali Bassrace2009 USACi score 160.5 @ 42hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreekDesignz Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I got an 18" in 8.2ft^3 net @29Hz and it's facking great! ♠ FreekDesignz Demo Collection ♠ Everything You Need To Know About Car Audio Torres' Box Tuning Calculator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n8ball2013 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I got an 18" in 8.2ft^3 net @29Hz and it's facking great! and have absolutely zero knowledge of what they are talking about. THERE IS NO BUILD LOG! 1998 Chevy Silverado ext cab Alpine CDA-9887 4 Team Fi 15s 2 Ampere Audio TFE 8.0 2 Ampere Audio 150.4 3 Digital Designs CS6.5 component sets Dual Mechman 370XP Elite alternators inbound! 8 XS Power d3400 6 XS power d680 Second Skin Stinger Tsunami Wiring Sky High A Real Voltmeter not a piece of shit stinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreekDesignz Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I got an 18" in 8.2ft^3 net @29Hz and it's facking great! and have absolutely zero knowledge of what they are talking about. How's that? ♠ FreekDesignz Demo Collection ♠ Everything You Need To Know About Car Audio Torres' Box Tuning Calculator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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