George Zimmerman - Not Guilty

[mrmondaynight]

It was never proved Zimmerman was attacked first. Personally, I do not believe based on my knowledge of human behavior that someone on the phone with his girlfriend would ambush someone following him. But I can't prove it. And because I can't prove it, GZ walks. But just because GZ walks, that is not an exoneration of his actions, or an indictment of Trayvon's. That may be a too subtle distinction for those who enjoy playing the blame game and stirring things up generally.

[mrmondaynight]

Haven't posted here in a while, but I had to chime in.

I've been following this case from day 1, and I was pro Zimmerman until all the evidence was put forth. Here's my take on it.

Zimmerman probably felt he had a good reason to follow Martin, and Martin had a good reason to believe he needed to defend himself. Neither one of them knew the other by sight or reputation. From their subjective perspectives, they were both strange people acting strangely.

Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch, cruising the neighborhood after a series of break-ins. He sees someone he hasn't seen around before, walking around surprisingly casually in the rain after dusk. From his perspective, he had ever reason to be suspicious.

Martin was simply a kid visiting family who lived in the neighborhood. He was just out walking home after picking up some watermelon arizona and skittles from the store, talking to his girlfriend on the cell the whole while, until he notices someone slowly...slowly following behind him in his car. He has just as many reasons to be suspicious as Zimmerman. Remember what our parents told us about strangers?

It's a weird situation for both of them. One based entirely on misunderstandings and nearly pointless suspicions, and one that ended up being handled in the worst possible ways.

When Trayvon noticed he was being followed, he did everything in his power to get away from Zimmerman. If you listened to the 911 tape, Zimmerman tells the operator twice that Trayvon was running away. He also says "these assholes always get away". He already profiled Trayvon as a criminal...knowing zero about the kid.

He then went on to say "I left to my car and he looked for me"

How does a kid go from running away from you...to then out of nowhere looking for you? It doesn't make any sense. It goes against everything Trayvon did minutes prior to the fight.

Given that Zimmerman is the only witness to what occurred at the end of the phone calls, one either has to put stock in his shifting-with-the-wind account or one has to be skeptical (within a range of views). Any assertion about who initiated hostilities is simply unsupportable, because quite frankly, the only first-hand witness is untrustworthy.

This is how Zimmerman looked after the fight

This is how he looked cleaned up at the police station 30-45 minutes after the fight

Does this look like a man that had his head bashed in to the concrete over 25 times?

None of us know exactly what happened that night. All we have is Zimmerman's side, and a bunch of conflicting eyewitness accounts that could easily point to either scenario depending on how you look at them.

The biggest problem I have is there are some people think Zimmerman did everything right and not a thing wrong. His behavior that night was far from normal.

Bad judgement on both sides lead to the death of 1.

What i "think" happened? I believe Zimmerman had brandished or drawn before the fight began; Zimmerman's own story claims that Martin was going for his gun. If it were concealed, Martin couldn't have known about it. (Unless we add "frisking" to the list of things he was doing delivering two dozen punches, smothering with both hands, and repeatedly bashing him into sidewalk - all while delivering a sinister monologue. It's obvious why he was was afraid for his life, he was being assaulted by The Flash.)

Let's suppose when the fight started Zimmerman had his gun in-hand and the fight was over that gun. This plausibly answers and explains:

- the lack of injury to everyone's hands

- why Martin had no injuries other than the fatal one

- what Zimmerman was doing for 40 seconds instead of getting out from under a smaller opponent

- Zimmerman's trouble finding his "phone"

Is it so far-fetched that he wanted to scare a "loving punk" who didn't react how he expected?

Also, you know why race was bought into this? In 2011, Zimmerman called the police a little over 80 times to report suspicious black men. At one point, he called the police to report a black boy aged 8 to 10.

Fact of the matter is, he profiled Trayvon because he was black. They got into a scuffle & Trayvon got the best of him. Had he not had the gun on him, he would've never approached him.

Wait, wasn't the main injury to the back of his head. Why didn't you also show that?

Because 2 small lacerations seemed highly irrelevant

Feel free to post the huge cuts he had on the back of his head, though.

[CstrokerV]

It was never proved Zimmerman was attacked first. Personally, I do not believe based on my knowledge of human behavior that someone on the phone with his girlfriend would ambush someone following him. But I can't prove it. And because I can't prove it, GZ walks. But just because GZ walks, that is not an exoneration of his actions, or an indictment of Trayvon's. That may be a too subtle distinction for those who enjoy playing the blame game and stirring things up generally.

why he could of been playing the mancho guy to his gf so whatever my whole thing is there was no prrof either way and you cant condemn a man without any proof people are blowing shit way out of this event

[Miguels]

It was never proved Zimmerman was attacked first. Personally, I do not believe based on my knowledge of human behavior that someone on the phone with his girlfriend would ambush someone following him.

didnt you say you followed the trial? then why dont you say exactly what the GF said.. you say its not possible yet the GF said her did

edit:you are just like the media. only say what benefits you best and what can prove your point

[Cox]

Haven't posted here in a while, but I had to chime in.

I've been following this case from day 1, and I was pro Zimmerman until all the evidence was put forth. Here's my take on it.

Zimmerman probably felt he had a good reason to follow Martin, and Martin had a good reason to believe he needed to defend himself. Neither one of them knew the other by sight or reputation. From their subjective perspectives, they were both strange people acting strangely.

Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch, cruising the neighborhood after a series of break-ins. He sees someone he hasn't seen around before, walking around surprisingly casually in the rain after dusk. From his perspective, he had ever reason to be suspicious.

Martin was simply a kid visiting family who lived in the neighborhood. He was just out walking home after picking up some watermelon arizona and skittles from the store, talking to his girlfriend on the cell the whole while, until he notices someone slowly...slowly following behind him in his car. He has just as many reasons to be suspicious as Zimmerman. Remember what our parents told us about strangers?

It's a weird situation for both of them. One based entirely on misunderstandings and nearly pointless suspicions, and one that ended up being handled in the worst possible ways.

When Trayvon noticed he was being followed, he did everything in his power to get away from Zimmerman. If you listened to the 911 tape, Zimmerman tells the operator twice that Trayvon was running away. He also says "these assholes always get away". He already profiled Trayvon as a criminal...knowing zero about the kid.

He then went on to say "I left to my car and he looked for me"

How does a kid go from running away from you...to then out of nowhere looking for you? It doesn't make any sense. It goes against everything Trayvon did minutes prior to the fight.

Given that Zimmerman is the only witness to what occurred at the end of the phone calls, one either has to put stock in his shifting-with-the-wind account or one has to be skeptical (within a range of views). Any assertion about who initiated hostilities is simply unsupportable, because quite frankly, the only first-hand witness is untrustworthy.

This is how Zimmerman looked after the fight

This is how he looked cleaned up at the police station 30-45 minutes after the fight

Does this look like a man that had his head bashed in to the concrete over 25 times?

None of us know exactly what happened that night. All we have is Zimmerman's side, and a bunch of conflicting eyewitness accounts that could easily point to either scenario depending on how you look at them.

The biggest problem I have is there are some people think Zimmerman did everything right and not a thing wrong. His behavior that night was far from normal.

Bad judgement on both sides lead to the death of 1.

What i "think" happened? I believe Zimmerman had brandished or drawn before the fight began; Zimmerman's own story claims that Martin was going for his gun. If it were concealed, Martin couldn't have known about it. (Unless we add "frisking" to the list of things he was doing delivering two dozen punches, smothering with both hands, and repeatedly bashing him into sidewalk - all while delivering a sinister monologue. It's obvious why he was was afraid for his life, he was being assaulted by The Flash.)

Let's suppose when the fight started Zimmerman had his gun in-hand and the fight was over that gun. This plausibly answers and explains:

- the lack of injury to everyone's hands

- why Martin had no injuries other than the fatal one

- what Zimmerman was doing for 40 seconds instead of getting out from under a smaller opponent

- Zimmerman's trouble finding his "phone"

Is it so far-fetched that he wanted to scare a "loving punk" who didn't react how he expected?

Also, you know why race was bought into this? In 2011, Zimmerman called the police a little over 80 times to report suspicious black men. At one point, he called the police to report a black boy aged 8 to 10.

Fact of the matter is, he profiled Trayvon because he was black. They got into a scuffle & Trayvon got the best of him. Had he not had the gun on him, he would've never approached him.

Wait, wasn't the main injury to the back of his head. Why didn't you also show that?

Because 2 small lacerations seemed highly irrelevant

Feel free to post the huge cuts he had on the back of his head, though.

also when you said he wasn't getting the crap beat out of him, do me a favor and find a flat surface and see how hard you have to hit your head on it until it cuts open. I'v had concussions without my head bleeding at all.....

[ChevyBoy95]

this is a good listen. click the play button under the picture

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/trayvon_martin_verdict_racism_hate_crimes_prosecution_and_other_overreactions.html?fb_ref=sm_fb_share_toolbar

[TeamHT]

Dude...stop for a second. This is my whole point.

Give me 100% concrete irrefutable evidence he committed murder 2 or manslaughter. You can give your opinion and your interpretation of the events but there needs to be actual evidence. You cannot nor SHOULD be convicted from the mob, that is the entire purpose of the court. I don't have an opinion either way in this case other than the evidence doesn't prove anything beyond a doubt for the prosecution.

[Sutliff]

Where the fuck did ANYONE say his head was beaten TWENTY-FIVE times into the concrete?!

Also, YOU DO NOT NEED TO SUFFER ANY INJURIES WHATSOEVER TO USE SELF-DEFENSE.

Learn, then attempt to run your mouth, MrMondayNight. I will be waiting a very long time because you are extremely ignorant to everything around you.

[CstrokerV]

Dude...stop for a second. This is my whole point.

Give me 100% concrete irrefutable evidence he committed murder 2 or manslaughter. You can give your opinion and your interpretation of the events but there needs to be actual evidence. You cannot nor SHOULD be convicted from the mob, that is the entire purpose of the court. I don't have an opinion either way in this case other than the evidence doesn't prove anything beyond a doubt for the prosecution.

thats what ive been trying to say people on fb people in person its ridiculous trying to condemn a man with no proof

[Miguels]

here you go guys. this is for you that has to do with racism. it was never about TM race. the media made it seem that way

George Zimmerman's lawsuit against NBC will move forward now that he has been acquitted of murder charges. Attorneys for the Florida neighborhood watch volunteer say the network aired an edited 911 call last year that made it seem as if Zimmerman was focused on Trayvon Martin's race before he shot the teenager during an altercation. Zimmerman's attorney tells the "Washington Post," "We're going to start in earnest asap." Zimmerman called 911 to report a man he said was behaving suspiciously. When the dispatcher asked him about the race of the man, Zimmerman said "he looks black." When NBC aired an excerpt from the call on the "Today" show, the tape was edited to have Zimmerman saying, "This guy looks like he's up to no good... he looks black."

NBC apologized for the error it said took place during the production process and promised to take the necessary steps to prevent the error from happening in the future. Zimmerman was acquitted of second degree murder and a lesser charge of manslaughter in Martin's death Saturday. The verdict has prompted much reaction and protest.

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