BeatNdown8o8 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Hey guys Im sure everybody knows what a subsonic filter is but I know not everybody knows how to set it.Ive seen and heard alot of people ask where it should be set at...When I was looking around I found this read on decibel car.com..I thought maybe it could help somebody else out as it did for me!!!..I wasn't sure where to put this so Im sorry if this is in the wrong spot,But here it is an enjoy!!!!.....A subsonic filter is basically a High Pass Filter for very low frequencies, generally 45hz or lower. That is, whatever you set it at; only frequencies above that setting go through. Anything below that setting is attenuated (made quieter). As only frequencies higher than your setting pass its a high pass filter. A subsonic frequency is very low, so low the human ear can barely detect it, but your body can feel it. Because you cant hear it, and they're prone to damaging woofers, filtering subsonics is a desirable characteristic in subwoofer amplifiers. A subsonic filter is used differently in sealed enclosures than in ported. In a sealed box: The lower the frequency, the more excursion your subwoofer exhibits in order to play it loudly and accurately. A sealed box is tuned by enclosure volume, larger enclosures tune lower, smaller enclosures tune higher. Subsonic frequencies potentially damage your subwoofer because they make it expend a lot of energy, travel right to the limits of its excursion and play below the enclosures tuning. So for safety, we want to cut those frequencies out. For a sealed enclosure you adjust the subsonic filter to 25-35 Hz, to filter the extremely low bass frequencies your woofers unable to play. In a ported box: You tune the port to a certain frequency, the enclosure is then capable of playing all frequencies above that tuning without an issue. The enclosure can also play below that frequency, but only half an octave, before the cone starts over-excurting and there's potential for damage. So for safety, we set the subsonic to 1/2 an octave below our tuned frequency. Whats half an octave you say ? Lets do some maths ! One octave up is double the frequency, One octave down is half the frequency. Lets say you are tuned to 45 Hz: - 45 Hz / 2 = 22.5 Hz (one octave lower) - 22.5 Hz /2 = 11.25 Hz (half an octave lower) So we take 45 - 11.25 = 33.75 Hz (rounded up to 34 Hz) In other words, you set your sub-sonic to 34 hz. So that way, if there's music below the ports frequency, it gets filtered out protecting your woofer. Always remember the subsonic filter is NOT a cut-off. It has a roll off "slope" where whatever frequency its set to will be attenuated, and the attenuation effect increases as the frequencies get lower. Thus the power to the woofer decreases at filtered fequencies, which reduces the excursion and risk of damage. As a final note for the audio geeks: Subsonic filters have steep slopes such as 3rd or 4th order(18 or 24dB/Oct) this is so u can set it nice and close to your 1/2 octave frequency, or 25-35 Hz sealed, without losing power in the neighboring frequencies. {mos_fb_discuss:9} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bump4life Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 noooooo wayyyy. this has never been discussed on this forum ever. some good info for those who dont know i guess and who cant search. Buyer/Seller Feedback Thread: http://www.stevemead...5015-bump4life/ MB C220 153 Trunk Car Build Log: http://www.stevemead...d/#entry1840136 MB C280 Ipad Dash SQ Build Log: http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/194484-bump4lifes-new-benz-tony-c-relay-kit-pictures-ce-electric-audison-front-stage-installed/ My SPL Log: http://www.stevemead...__fromsearch__1 BMW M340 xDrive Stock, for now. Corner Load 10" maybe soon. But does 10s in the 1/4... Best Scores out of a trunk 153.0 sealed legal full tilt clamped 5524 @ 42 hz 154+ windows down, 155+ kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdavebasshead75 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 So if im tuned to 33hz, I set my SF to 25hz? Great info by the way!! http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/141026-2001-bravada-build-2-15supdated/?fromsearch=1 ----old build!! http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/194247-2005-chrysler-300c-buildslowwwww-lol/ -----new build!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alaskanzx5 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 its about time someone does a write up on this. thanks op.. sticky it, still waiting on sticky.... now plz... o wait, doign a noob thing here and expecting a result right away. my bad. t1500bdcp 2 t2d4 15" 1 t600.4 1 t400.2 1 set p1 tweets singer alt, tons of wiring, smd vm-1, 80prs, back seat delete, still in the works, aiming for a 145-147 with the ability to play 25hz up to 50hz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_garynator Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Great information! Would be great to get this added as a sticky or added to a sticky for those who do not search and to have the information more readily available for those who do. Current Build: Project Flexington: 157.6db @ 37hz Parallel 6th order walk through, DC Neo Elite 18s, 4 DC 5.0ks, JY Lithium, 12 banks of XS Caps Old Builds:150db and HAIRTRICKs from 2x 12" Power Acoustik Mofos (6th order blow through) ;<p>Roadmaster Wagon Build - DC LVL 6 M3, Kicker Warhorse ; Godzilla swapped 240sx ; 6th Order Bandpass Alpine Type R 12 ; Fully loaded DC Level 5 18" 240sx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDrifter Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I think this is a large generalization as every install(box, subs, power level, design, vehicle, etc) is different. It's one of those "rule of thumb" type things. IMO most people would have enough trouble accurately setting their filters that trying to do something as exact as this would be a waste of their time ~~~~~~~~SAY NO TO PHOTOBUCKET~~~~~~~~ Snow's DD-1 tracks here: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/167433-snows-dd-1-tracks/ My take on OFC vs CCA: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/110381-things-that-piss-you-off-in-the-car-audio-world/?do=findComment&comment=2461444 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyblack76 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I think this is a large generalization as every install(box, subs, power level, design, vehicle, etc) is different. It's one of those "rule of thumb" type things. IMO most people would have enough trouble accurately setting their filters that trying to do something as exact as this would be a waste of their time Agree,... I see it as over kill,......beyond overkill.. and then there is the ON or OFF filter that many amps have.....say, set at 28hz...(Non adjustable) you really gonna design a box, off of your ssf? SMD SUPER SELLER The Burban Build Blazer Build sold Acura trunk build sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillaCam Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 You're not going to blow up your car playing below tuning. Just don't be reckless with it. SSF @ 25hz is fine. And the fact more than one person agrees does not make it a circle jerk, it makes it a bukkake scene and you're in the middle Chick took 3 shots of Jager, and then, pissed in my mouth.. B5 Passat Build Log Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDrifter Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 The best way I've found to set a SSF is to generate a sweep from 45 down to 10hz, about 60 seconds long, turn the subsonic up, then let that sweep rip full tilt and watch/listen to your subs. Turn it down as much as you can before the subs move "too much" when they get blow tuning. ~~~~~~~~SAY NO TO PHOTOBUCKET~~~~~~~~ Snow's DD-1 tracks here: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/167433-snows-dd-1-tracks/ My take on OFC vs CCA: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/110381-things-that-piss-you-off-in-the-car-audio-world/?do=findComment&comment=2461444 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_garynator Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I think this is a large generalization as every install(box, subs, power level, design, vehicle, etc) is different. It's one of those "rule of thumb" type things. IMO most people would have enough trouble accurately setting their filters that trying to do something as exact as this would be a waste of their time On the flip side, I think it's a good place to start. If you're just guessing as to what frequency to set it at. On top of that you're guessing where that frequency is on the knob as a lot of amps have very poor marking around the knob forcing you to guess where the frequency is where you want to set it at. Put these together and you could be way off either way. At least you knock some of the guess work out of it this way. It may not be exact, but at least it would be closer.On the flip side, I think it's a good place to start. If you're just guessing as to what frequency to set it at. On top of that you're guessing where that frequency is on the knob as a lot of amps have very poor marking around the knob forcing you to guess where the frequency is where you want to set it at. Put these together and you could be way off either way. At least you knock some of the guess work out of it this way. It may not be exact, but at least it would be closer. You're not going to blow up your car playing below tuning. Just don't be reckless with it. SSF @ 25hz is fine. You and I may be fine with not being reckless with it, but I don't care what you tell someone who you've just installed and setup their system, they'll go overboard. Why do you think most places set people's gains rather conservatively, etc? It may not eliminate the possibility of them killing their sub/amp/etc. but at least it makes it a little harder for them to do. I don't run a subsonic on my level 5, but that's because I'm careful with it as well as it being rather forgiving, but when I had my 8" RF Punch HX2 in one of my summer cars on my Earthquake PHD2000, I really wish I had a subsonic on it. Not because I am reckless, but for example, I had the usb drive with all of my songs from my audio car and the last song in a folder finished and the next folder had my Tones in it. That folder started out with an 8hz tone. I wasn't at full tilt, but even so, the sub still bottomed out for about 2 seconds before I was able to switch to a different album. Even though this is an extreme case, I've had to set the subsonic on a friend's hifonics brutus 15 (very short throw sub in a very undersized prefab box with a terribly sized port). In a trunk car with an inexperienced user and an amp that puts out 1.5 times what the sub can handle, that's a recipe for disaster. I just set the subsonic by ear, but if I would have known this at the time, I would have used it as a starting point and probably could have gotten a bit more low end output out of it vs. guessing and then setting it ultra conservatively because I didn't have time to run it through a gammit of songs. Either way, my point is, while this guide may not help anyone, I think it's still good information for a lot of people. I would compare it to setting an amp's gain by ear vs setting it with a multimeter. Sure, neither of the methods are very accurate, and it's much easier to set the gain by ear, but at least with a multimeter you've got something to go on. And yeah, you should use an o-scope or DD-1 (I personally have a DD-1), but not everyone has one or access to one. In those cases I'd recommend using a multimeter AND by ear vs just by ear, at least you have something to go off of. In the case of subsonic filters, it's pretty parallel, to do it RIGHT, you should have a CC-1, but without having one, I'd say this is probably the next best method available. Current Build: Project Flexington: 157.6db @ 37hz Parallel 6th order walk through, DC Neo Elite 18s, 4 DC 5.0ks, JY Lithium, 12 banks of XS Caps Old Builds:150db and HAIRTRICKs from 2x 12" Power Acoustik Mofos (6th order blow through) ;<p>Roadmaster Wagon Build - DC LVL 6 M3, Kicker Warhorse ; Godzilla swapped 240sx ; 6th Order Bandpass Alpine Type R 12 ; Fully loaded DC Level 5 18" 240sx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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