Executive order for Gun Control!!

[Miguels]

Well I don't have the link right now but I found a site that had a list of all the guns that they want to include in the banned list. Problem is that is just a start once they get their way once then they will keep coming back for more until they ban them all.

here you go

A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock,

(ii) a threaded barrel,

(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see

below),

(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.

Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than

10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).

A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine,

and has:

(i) a second pistol grip,

(ii) a threaded barrel,

(iii) a barrel shroud or

(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and

(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10

rounds.

A semiautomatic shotgun with:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock,

(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),

(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity

of more than 5 rounds, and

(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.

[BobbyG2]

Love that guys videos! He actually THINKS, unlike these idiots advocating more gun control.

I shard that video on my facebook, and here's my take on it:

Want to label certain rifles "assault weapons"? Well, how about renaming a few other items too, like the "assault spatula", "assault baseball bat", "assault box cutter", "assault fertilizer", "assault fist", to name a few.

What about naming certain weapons "weapons of war"?

Who wages war? Does the general public wage war? or does the state? Of course the state. So when you label an weapon an "weapon of war", you're essentially calling it an "weapon of the state".

Why do we allow so much power to the states? When our country was founded, the PEOPLE were supposed to be the ones with the power! And we allocated just a little bit of power to the States, and the States allocated just a little bit of power to the Federal government.

We are currently totally backwards! The distribution of power now a days, is Federal > State > People.

The PEOPLE should out gun, or at least match, the firepower of the state and federal government! This is ESSENTIAL to our freedoms, because even if we don't need to use it, we the people NEED the power to overthrow a corrupt government!

THIS is why I advocate that every law abiding, sane citizen, should be allowed to own every weapon that the military is allowed to have. Want to ban fully-automatic weapons? Ok, fine, but FIRST ban it for our government/military.

It would be better for our freedom, if the people had fully-automatics, and the government had semi automatics, than the way it is currently, completely BACKWARDS.

Gun control is a complete travesty to our rights! Obama would be a traitor if he enacted an Executive Order banning guns! Regardless of WHICH guns they are.

[Leo1103]

Yep ca il ny nj ma all suck hardcore

woooo but seriously it sucks so bad considering how much more lax nh vt and me are.

[cmiller8006]

I bought another new gun yesterday, showed up at a guys place that owns a country gun shop. Small place only about 100 guns, there was five people filling out forms. All five of us bought a gun in less then 10 minutes. His doors wasn't even open 30 minutes. He said the same thing, he can't keep them on the shelves. I am an avid shooter/gun owner but I believe there needs to be a better firearms check as far as background. Yea one might pass a federal background since he doesn't have anything major on his record. But what if he's a drug addict or alcoholic? They can still get a gun. Or if there's certain psych history that could put the public at risk. None of those people should be able to own a gun. Just my two cents.

[Herokight]

I bought another new gun yesterday, showed up at a guys place that owns a country gun shop. Small place only about 100 guns, there was five people filling out forms. All five of us bought a gun in less then 10 minutes. His doors wasn't even open 30 minutes. He said the same thing, he can't keep them on the shelves. I am an avid shooter/gun owner but I believe there needs to be a better firearms check as far as background. Yea one might pass a federal background since he doesn't have anything major on his record. But what if he's a drug addict or alcoholic? They can still get a gun. Or if there's certain psych history that could put the public at risk. None of those people should be able to own a gun. Just my two cents.

That's what the Republicans want from what I understand, a better background check for violent behavior or mental health issues, mainly just for concealed carry licenses. This, I can agree with.

[REVOofRustler]

As a 19 year old kid with a lot of life ahead of me, seeing all this crap happening really kind of gets me down. I cannot stand when I hear/read an argument where people just cannot comprehend why banning guns is going to be completely counter-productive. I will admit to not being the most informed about politics, but it really doesn't take much common sense to realize why guns are not the problem. People like to throw the argument that the Police will be able to protect those in danger. I don't know about you, but I've never seen someone call 911 and have cops show up in the same amount of time it takes for a criminal to pull the trigger.

Another argument I can't stand is when people try to argue against the second amendment because guns back then were single shot, muzzle loaders. The whole point is that everyone had EQUAL access to the same firearms! Civilians were allowed to have everything the military/police force had. Well fast-forward to 2013 and cops have full auto rifles and we're basically being restricted from everything but pistols and rocks. Where's the equality in that?

[Keith77]

its kinda funny right? The president is going to tell us what guns we can have and if were to come to fighting the government that will have the upper hand.. They do already with tanks, planes, and missiles.

Not going to lie BO makes my blood boil. Cant stand the mutherfucker

[Dwn4BassAlan]

an executive order overrides checks and balances. if he did it for sometjing like this it would be unprecedented for a decision that affects so many. pretty much if its not his way he doesnt care its his way or no way

Well if this over rides C&B then is there any way to stop this from happening? I mean some part of the gov't has to have the ability to say "No" dont they or are we just fucked altogether

Only the supreme court can override an executive order, and they have only done so for 2, one was Truman's and one Clinton's

And I've been waiting to shit on someone about government

From an Australian point of view your constitution here are a few points.

1# When your constitution was written firearms were single shot and relatively weak and there for would have been impossible for one person to kill 20 kids.

2# People do not require AR's or other high powered weapons for self defence a pistol works fine.

3# There are already many very high powered weapons that are not allowed to be owned by civilians they are just talking about adding more to that list not completely taking away your right to bare arms.

4# Your fears of not being able to take over the government is stupid as well, the democracy system makes it impossible for your government to do anything too drastic against the people even obama can be arrested and charged.

5# In every modern country there are laws in place to protect innocent life. Drink driving, speeding, building codes such as fire doors etc. High powered firearm restrictions are no different to those, accident or planned massacre they still pose more danger than good.

I know many americans feel strongly about subjects such as firearms and free speech but the truth is the rest of the world sees america as little more than a joke when it comes to your laws. Laughing and cringing about things we read about your legal system is common place at my work. Medicare for example, Australia has had government healthcare for decades and we simply cannot understand why Americans have such an issue with it when it works perfect in so many countries.

This post is not meant as an attack or a troll of any kind, I am simply taking the opposing side to most people on this forum.

The "democracy" does not work because all of the people's votes have been counting for nothing.

You all seem to think that your leaders are tyrants that need to be kept in line by giving the population guns. That is pathetic for so many reasons.

Firstly it would be impossible for a "militia" to rise up because out of 320+ million maybe 100,000 are fanatical enough to take up arms and they would just been seen as a terrorist group even by 80% of the population.

Governments are changed by voting booths not guns.

#1 i dont think the guys AR that killed 20 kids was a full auto

#2 could have been done with 2 hand guns if needed to be you can buy extended clips

Again, not invented.

#3 if you keep letting them take shit away eventually you will be left with nothing

There is that slippery slope argument again when has it ever actually happened.. The democratic governments follow what the people want just look at things like SOPA and ACTA, if the people resist hard enough you wont lose any more than you want to.

#4 our government writes new laws ontop of old laws without a problem you can say democracy all you want but thats just another BS story

Laws need to be changed and updated for societies to develop and laws are not just made in a democracy they need to be voted on.

#5 we adopted pretty much canadas health care act they hated it so much that they started comming to america for treatment

#6 so if you dont live here or know what the fuck your talking about keep it to yourself

1# As I stated your constitution was written well before semi auto or full auto guns we available and there for is outdated.

2# Again, not invented.

3# There is that slippery slope argument again when has it ever actually happened.. The democratic governments follow what the people want just look at things like SOPA and ACTA, if the people resist hard enough you wont lose any more than you want to.

4# Laws need to be changed and updated for societies to develop and laws are not just made in a democracy they need to be voted on. Look at the rest of the world, laws get changed here all the time and we are perfectly happy with it. Our economy is stronger, our crime rate is much lower, our suicide rate is much lower, people dont get killed while at our schools anywhere near as much.

5# Can you explain what was wrong with canadas health system i know little of it. our system works like this.

All citizens of Australia are given access to the medicare system for free.

With the medicare system you can claim almost all things medical related back such as tablets, doctors, surgery.

if i go to my pharmacy and buy some medication that costs $50 I can then claim that with medicare and get something like $20 back.

The same goes for seeing specialist doctors however there is a much longer waiting list to see one if you do not have private healthcare.

All doctors must see a certain number of medicare patients a year.

Basically our medicare works exactly like our private healthcare only there are longer waiting lists for things like surgery.

Also our medical procedures are much cheaper than in america, I personally had a full knee construction and only payed $6000 of which i got back $4000 on my top of the line private cover that only costs me $1800 a year.

Our best private health care is under $3000 a year. Whats yours?

6# The fact i do not live there means i am more qualified than you to have an opinion on it. I am a 3rd party that can look at your system objectively and compare it to other systems objectively.

If i could change one thing in america it would be to make voting compulsary for everyone over 18 like it is in the rest of the world. Your system of it being optional means that only people who feel strongly about things actually take the time to do it.

If 60% of your population dont care about what they do with guns and 30% would rather them removed but at the end of the day they don't feel strong enough about it to go stand in line for hours.

Then the 10% of people who are red neck gun fanatics would be standing in like to vote because they feel strong about it and have something to lose, then despite that they are actually the smaller number they will still win.

That is where your democracy system is broken.

Flame me if you want but i am merely speaking my mind as an observer who has been watching the american legal system like a bad sitcom for the last 10 years.

Please spare me, all of your rambling about our voting system is a joke, because you obviously have no knowledge of the voting system here. So to begin, the fact that you don't live here makes it WORSE, not better, because you clearly don't know how everything works here. As you said that it's our fault for not voting, and that smaller groups win because only they care to vote.... Well you're wrong because you should have immediately thought of the ELECTORAL COLLEGE, the popular vote decides nothing, thats why it's possible for a president to win even with less popular votes than the other candidate as Bush did against Al Gore in 2004, depending on the recount that was never finished. So everything you say about it being our faults and that we should have mandatory voting like your country is pointless. We don't all vote because it doesn't actually mean anything in the end. Our voice is smothered by a handful of "representatives" around the country that don't listen. It's how almost all voting systems here work, THATS the flaw with our democracy, not that crap you're babbling about.

Seems that you guys want to just shred me simply because i am australian and see things differently. You guys keep saying i need to get my facts straight without actually showing me facts.

Bottom line.

America is in top 3 worst first world country.

What ever the reasons are for that fact doesnt make it any less true.

America is only a super power because of population.

Again this is not an attack just stating facts

I have given you facts now, and nobody is shredding you because you're australian. My step-moms an aussie and I've been there 3 times and I love it.

You're just ignorant, yes I said it, ignorant. The bandwagon of the world is to assume all americans are ignorant and that our government is out of control, well it shows how much you know about it, which would be very little. People come here for the best of the best in countless fields like science and medicine, that's undeniable.

Only because of population, I'm sure our nuclear stockpile and defense systems have nothing to do with it? Well, please do show me where Africa is on top of the powerhouse list with it's population of 1,033,000,000, that's 700 million more than us, and to be honest I haven't felt threatened by Zimbabwe's nuclear payload for quite some time now..................................

Your country has 11000 deaths a year from guns. More gangs than companies and most of your population is fearing cival war because of your president wants to do something about all the innocent lives being lost.

Your economy is shit.

Yor prison population is the highest in the world in both number and percent of population.

Your cops are the most trigger happy.

Do i need to go on or is my point made

LOL here we go: America is the #1 national economy in the world, and ONLY the COMBINED European Union is larger, by only $2 trillion, and if it wasn't for American markets the global economy would collapse as again, our market is the largest, and has been (as well as just above/below Chinas GDP) for many many years. All the markets work off of each other. The global economy is symbiotic in every way, and when other markets do shitty, ours is affected and vise-versa. Call it shit if you want, but I would love to see every other country go unscathed if the American market ever fell.

Haha the funny thing is no one has been able to prove anything i have said wrong. Just flame me.

As i said before i double check my info.

You have been proven wrong on multiple points. Not flaming you, countering you. Check anything I have said if you have your doubts. And no I don't have online sources for all of my stuff because I have over 600 hours of reading into AM Gov and Econ to prevent inaccurate sources from being involved.

If anyone else has any questions I'm all ears, history and government are really the only subjects I have a passion for, so I won't spoon feed you bullshit like this guy has been. And it was probably not his fault honestly, most people really have no idea how america works inside, all they hear about is the problems.

[Natsuru]

There's a bit of a contradiction made by one of the pieces of evidence you presented n8

http://reason.com/reasontv/2013/01/10/reasons-5-facts-on-guns-and-gun-violence

This article states in points 1 and 5 that violent crime rate has gone down, and that assault weapons bans are innefective

But............

From the Bureau of Justice site, the violent crime rate peaked in 1994, and has steadily dropped since then

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/viortrdtab.cfm

This drop directly correlates with the Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994

So, one can either decide that point 5 is wrong, as there is a direct correlation between the 2 events, or you can just say the violent crime rate just happened to drop for no reason when we issued this original ban

[Natsuru]

Oh, a few more points which should probably be covered

1. Obama is not an antichrist muslim communist nazi reptilian jewish fascist pedophile

2. Mexico's crime rate is influenced at least partially due to the united states.

Evidence: http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0719/p01s01-woam.html?page=1

3. The federal ban in 1994 offers empirical evidence that a weapons ban does not necessitate a rapid banning of all weapons

4. This new potential ban is basically the exact same as the 1994 one

5. Weapons chambered in .223 caliber such as the AR-15 (and similar rifles) are the worst possible thing to use for home defense... unless you like shooting your kids through a wall, buy a shotgun or a handgun (both of which will still be legal after the potential ban)

6. You can own a gun in australia, you just need a real reason, they aren't banned

7. The united states is seriously a pretty bad country, from many points of view, prison rates, economy, distribution of wealth, education, medical, class division.... we really shouldn't brag about being the best at anything

8. I wasn't aware how drastically conservative this forum was, but I should really question why it is that a simple event such as this has you all disturbed, when our previous guy in office (who everyone has amnesia about) managed to have 9/11, false invasion of countries, and the fucking patriot act on his list of crap that happened, and that's all fine and dandy, just another day in america, no big deal.

9. Lastly, Obama is not an antichrist muslim communist. FDR is the closest we have ever had to a socialist president, much less a communist, and he's considered to be one of the best presidents in history. Besides, Socialism is a good thing, once you realize exactly what falls under the umbrella of socialism.